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Forum: Theological Expressions
Re: Question House Church (again!) (Christopher Yip)
Date: 2001, Apr 27
From: RTC

1. Is meeting in a place other than homes against the NT model?

++No. But the usual places of meeting were the homes of believers.

2. Is employing full time pastors against the NT model?

++The idea of employment of church workers is foreign to the NT model.

3. Is partaking the Lord's supper apart from a full meal against the NT model?

++The NT church certainly did not partake it apart from the full meal.

4. Is having a headquarter church (like say the Methodists) plus branches against the NT model?

++The NT church practiced no such organisational setup.

5. Is the Sunday Service liturgy and order in churches against the NT model?

++It certainly violates the 1 Cor 14:26 principle of church meetings.

6. Is collecting offering to maintain the meeting place against the NT model?

++No such offering collected in the NT church was aimed towards such purpose.

I'll give my answers too. My answer to all is no because the bible neither forbids nor promulgates any of these.

++You are arguing from a negative. I argue from positive examples as given in Scripture. If you say no to any of the above, then it would not be right to say that such is based on NT model. You are only justified in saying that it is an argument from silence.

What the bible says is that that is what the early disciples did but it doesn't say that is what Christians of all ages must do.

++I agree. The “must do’s and don’ts” are usually those of a moral nature. Any reference to the way they meet are usually to correct certain excesses and abuses and not to stop the practice. The NT as letters addressing church issues and problems are not therefore a manual detailing the steps of how churches should meet. But it will be certainly significant to remember that all the NT letters were written to house churches. Neither does the NT contemplate any other form of expression of the church. In fact, many of the NT writings make better sense if understood within the context of non-institutional house churches.

It's really a matter of prudence and expediency.

++Disagree. There is always a theology behind practice, and sheer pragmatism certainly wasn’t one of them. But if you want to talk prudence and expediency, then what can be more simple, economical and expedient than the house churches?

As you pointed out, the public churches were permitted and built after Constantine but there is another reason also. These were to guard against heresies. Schismatics were always suspect during those days and the canon of Scripture was still in flux although it is forming.

++The NT never envisage institutionalizing the church as a combat against heresies. False teachers are to be refuted, and in some cases, ignored. Church buildings do not do that. The problem with the bishop thing was that people began to look to one man as the sole guardian of biblical doctrines. But it was never to be upon the shoulders of one man or one person and neither did any of the Apostles teach such a way. This is just one of fallen man’s tendency to set up kings to fight their battles, sounds like history repeating itself doesn’t it?

Today we have the sure Word of God and so perhaps this is why the cell group works so well. It's all part of the evolution of the church.

++All the more then that we need to look at present church practices with the sure Word of God. The cell group works because it has some features of the house church. However, the cell groups are not able to achieve their full potential because they are limited by the organisational parameters set by the church. Many of these groups have their life curtailed because they need to meet organisational goals of multiplying in six months or some other set time. The Bible never portray house churches as under the controlling umbrella of a mother church, they are all autonomous in their operations and yet maintaining connections with other house churches. I believe with my whole heart that if cell churches really go the way of decentralising the cell groups into full-fledged house churches, more blessings will pour forth.

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1. None The NT Model is not Normative, Not Meant to be. by Christopher Yip, 2001, Apr 28
1. Agree Bravo! Excellently Put Forth! (n/t) by Yesuthass, 2001, Apr 30
2. None Not normative? On what basis? by RTC, 2001, Apr 30
1. None And Normative on What Basis? by Christopher Yip, 2001, Apr 30
(_ None On basis that such was NT practices everywhere in first 300 years by RTC, 2001, May 02
1. Idea Real NT practices,and principles. by frank, 2001, May 02
1. None Yes, and so? (n/t) by RTC, 2001, May 03
2. Disagree Is that therefore biblical? by Christopher Yip, 2001, May 03
1. None Yes it is by RTC, 2001, May 04
1. Disagree Holds no water by passerby, 2001, May 04
1. None You use wrong cup by RTC, 2001, May 08
(_ Ok pick up the same dictionary and please enlighten us what it says about Church(n/t), 2001, May 09
(_ None Church is building for Christian worship by RTC, 2001, May 09
(_ Ok Hee...Hee...Can't you even see the obvious contradictions to your arguments???(n/t), 2001, May 11
1. None You tell me, and make sure it is biblical (n/t) by RTC, 2001, May 11
2. Idea Hi Anon,, 2001, May 11
1. More biblical?, 2001, May 23
1. None Let's see if you pass the biblical test by RTC, 2001, May 23
1. More Easton Bible Dictionary says..., 2001, May 26
1. None And that dictionary exposes your unbiblical notion, not mine by RTC, 2001, May 26
1. Angry Goes to show your mentality of... by passerby, 2001, May 29
(_ None Come off it by RTC, 2001, May 29
2. More Thayer's Greek Definition of Ekklesia by Christopher Yip, 2001, Jun 01
1. None Still got more by RTC, 2001, Jun 05
(_ Disagree Not Much Point in going further ... by Christopher Yip, 2001, Jun 05
(_ None The same point by RTC, 2001, Jun 05
(_ None OK, One Last Shot by Christopher Yip, 2001, Jun 06
(_ None Missed by a long shot? by RTC, 2001, Jun 08
(_ None Perhaps it'sYou? Food for thought. by Christopher Yip, 2001, Jun 09
(_ None More food on the table by RTC, 2001, Jun 11
(_ Disagree Your Food is Giving Me Indigestion :-)) by Christopher Yip, 2001, Jun 12
(_ None That's because you are not chewing! by RTC, 2001, Jun 14
(_ Ok Nope. It's Because Your Food Is Indigestible - Too Much Imagination. Will Stick With The Bible. by Christopher Yip, 2001, Jun 14
(_ None If you really stick to Bible, you won't get the IC today! by RTC, 2001, Jun 15
(_ Ok We stuck with the Bible and we got BOTH the IC and HC! by Christopher Yip, 2001, Jun 15
(_ None Only by twisting and turning, not by sound exegesis! by RTC, 2001, Jun 15
(_ Ok Here's Yet Another One of Your Blind Spots! by Christopher Yip, 2001, Jun 15
(_ None That spot already cleared, the blind spot is in your position by RTC, 2001, Jun 17
(_ More House Church (Again)! by PARROT, 2001, Jun 19
(_ None Something else for you to Parrot by RTC, 2001, Jun 20
(_ Ok Awck! Awck! RTC! RTC! PARROT KING!, 2001, Jun 26
2. Agree Hahaha!!! Bagus, Anon! by Kapo Anon, 2001, May 23
1. None Yes I agree by RTC, 2001, May 23
2. Note And also Anon, just let him talk to himself will do. , 2001, May 23
1. None Thank you very much by RTC, 2001, May 24
(_ Agree Sama, Sama!, 2001, May 24
2. Disagree This Should Be My Last Post for now. by Christopher Yip, 2001, May 04
1. None More by RTC, 2001, May 08
(_ Disagree RTC, u still have not answered Christopher's queries but r repeating yourself again and again. by passerby, 2001, May 09
1. None Because the same problems are being repeated by RTC, 2001, May 09
2. Agree I see it too,RTC has the last words.But he clearly lost.n/t by frank, 2001, May 09
1. None The loss is yours not mine by RTC, 2001, May 10
2. Idea NO IC IN 1ST CENTURY DUE TO GOSPEL PRIORITY AMIDST PERSECUTION, 2001, May 03
1. None Living in the Old? by RTC, 2001, May 03
(_ Feedback WHAT IS THE CHURCH LIKE IN THE FIRST FEW CENTURIES ?, 2001, May 03

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