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1. Is meeting in a place other than homes against the NT model? ++No. But the usual places of meeting were the homes of believers. 2. Is employing full time pastors against the NT model? ++The idea of employment of church workers is foreign to the NT model. 3. Is partaking the Lord's supper apart from a full meal against the NT model? ++The NT church certainly did not partake it apart from the full meal. 4. Is having a headquarter church (like say the Methodists) plus branches against the NT model? ++The NT church practiced no such organisational setup. 5. Is the Sunday Service liturgy and order in churches against the NT model? ++It certainly violates the 1 Cor 14:26 principle of church meetings. 6. Is collecting offering to maintain the meeting place against the NT model? ++No such offering collected in the NT church was aimed towards such purpose. I'll give my answers too. My answer to all is no because the bible neither forbids nor promulgates any of these. ++You are arguing from a negative. I argue from positive examples as given in Scripture. If you say no to any of the above, then it would not be right to say that such is based on NT model. You are only justified in saying that it is an argument from silence. What the bible says is that that is what the early disciples did but it doesn't say that is what Christians of all ages must do. ++I agree. The “must do’s and don’ts” are usually those of a moral nature. Any reference to the way they meet are usually to correct certain excesses and abuses and not to stop the practice. The NT as letters addressing church issues and problems are not therefore a manual detailing the steps of how churches should meet. But it will be certainly significant to remember that all the NT letters were written to house churches. Neither does the NT contemplate any other form of expression of the church. In fact, many of the NT writings make better sense if understood within the context of non-institutional house churches. It's really a matter of prudence and expediency. ++Disagree. There is always a theology behind practice, and sheer pragmatism certainly wasn’t one of them. But if you want to talk prudence and expediency, then what can be more simple, economical and expedient than the house churches? As you pointed out, the public churches were permitted and built after Constantine but there is another reason also. These were to guard against heresies. Schismatics were always suspect during those days and the canon of Scripture was still in flux although it is forming. ++The NT never envisage institutionalizing the church as a combat against heresies. False teachers are to be refuted, and in some cases, ignored. Church buildings do not do that. The problem with the bishop thing was that people began to look to one man as the sole guardian of biblical doctrines. But it was never to be upon the shoulders of one man or one person and neither did any of the Apostles teach such a way. This is just one of fallen man’s tendency to set up kings to fight their battles, sounds like history repeating itself doesn’t it? Today we have the sure Word of God and so perhaps this is why the cell group works so well. It's all part of the evolution of the church. ++All the more then that we need to look at present church practices with the sure Word of God. The cell group works because it has some features of the house church. However, the cell groups are not able to achieve their full potential because they are limited by the organisational parameters set by the church. Many of these groups have their life curtailed because they need to meet organisational goals of multiplying in six months or some other set time. The Bible never portray house churches as under the controlling umbrella of a mother church, they are all autonomous in their operations and yet maintaining connections with other house churches. I believe with my whole heart that if cell churches really go the way of decentralising the cell groups into full-fledged house churches, more blessings will pour forth. |
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The NT Model is not Normative, Not Meant to be. by Christopher Yip, 2001, Apr 28
Bravo! Excellently Put Forth! (n/t) by Yesuthass, 2001, Apr 30
Not normative? On what basis? by RTC, 2001, Apr 30
And Normative on What Basis? by Christopher Yip, 2001, Apr 30
On basis that such was NT practices everywhere in first 300 years by RTC, 2001, May 02
Real NT practices,and principles. by frank, 2001, May 02
Yes, and so? (n/t) by RTC, 2001, May 03
Is that therefore biblical? by Christopher Yip, 2001, May 03
Yes it is by RTC, 2001, May 04
Holds no water by passerby, 2001, May 04
You use wrong cup by RTC, 2001, May 08
pick up the same dictionary and please enlighten us what it says about Church(n/t), 2001, May 09
Church is building for Christian worship by RTC, 2001, May 09
Hee...Hee...Can't you even see the obvious contradictions to your arguments???(n/t), 2001, May 11
You tell me, and make sure it is biblical (n/t) by RTC, 2001, May 11
Hi Anon,, 2001, May 11
biblical?, 2001, May 23
Let's see if you pass the biblical test by RTC, 2001, May 23
Easton Bible Dictionary says..., 2001, May 26
And that dictionary exposes your unbiblical notion, not mine by RTC, 2001, May 26
Goes to show your mentality of... by passerby, 2001, May 29
Come off it by RTC, 2001, May 29
Thayer's Greek Definition of Ekklesia by Christopher Yip, 2001, Jun 01
Still got more by RTC, 2001, Jun 05
Not Much Point in going further ... by Christopher Yip, 2001, Jun 05
The same point by RTC, 2001, Jun 05
OK, One Last Shot by Christopher Yip, 2001, Jun 06
Missed by a long shot? by RTC, 2001, Jun 08
Perhaps it'sYou? Food for thought. by Christopher Yip, 2001, Jun 09
More food on the table by RTC, 2001, Jun 11
Your Food is Giving Me Indigestion :-)) by Christopher Yip, 2001, Jun 12
That's because you are not chewing! by RTC, 2001, Jun 14
Nope. It's Because Your Food Is Indigestible - Too Much Imagination. Will Stick With The Bible. by Christopher Yip, 2001, Jun 14
If you really stick to Bible, you won't get the IC today! by RTC, 2001, Jun 15
We stuck with the Bible and we got BOTH the IC and HC! by Christopher Yip, 2001, Jun 15
Only by twisting and turning, not by sound exegesis! by RTC, 2001, Jun 15
Here's Yet Another One of Your Blind Spots! by Christopher Yip, 2001, Jun 15
That spot already cleared, the blind spot is in your position by RTC, 2001, Jun 17
House Church (Again)! by PARROT, 2001, Jun 19
Something else for you to Parrot by RTC, 2001, Jun 20
Awck! Awck! RTC! RTC! PARROT KING!, 2001, Jun 26
Hahaha!!! Bagus, Anon! by Kapo Anon, 2001, May 23
Yes I agree by RTC, 2001, May 23
And also Anon, just let him talk to himself will do. , 2001, May 23
Thank you very much by RTC, 2001, May 24
Sama, Sama!, 2001, May 24
This Should Be My Last Post for now. by Christopher Yip, 2001, May 04
More by RTC, 2001, May 08
RTC, u still have not answered Christopher's queries but r repeating yourself again and again. by passerby, 2001, May 09
Because the same problems are being repeated by RTC, 2001, May 09
I see it too,RTC has the last words.But he clearly lost.n/t by frank, 2001, May 09
The loss is yours not mine by RTC, 2001, May 10
NO IC IN 1ST CENTURY DUE TO GOSPEL PRIORITY AMIDST PERSECUTION, 2001, May 03
Living in the Old? by RTC, 2001, May 03
WHAT IS THE CHURCH LIKE IN THE FIRST FEW CENTURIES ?, 2001, May 03