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Enjoy... But remember
"Don't give in to winning the argument
and losing one of your eternal crowns..."
God bless you...
Make A stand ,One and For All. 
Who is Sadhu? 
Paul We Know and Peter too but who's Apostle Sadhu? 
Who is Apostle Ananias? (SK)
Scripture the Word of God 
Agree that Scripture is the Word of God. (SK)
Is Seeing Believing?
Where's the verse that says signs & wonders & visions stopped when the Apostles "slept"? (SK)
Prophecies will cease, tongues stilled and knowledge pass away
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Pro:...Wonders and signs were done by the apostles but there was no mention of the converts doing any, which as mentioned earlier were the apostles authentication.
Frank:Was it just for Apostles authentication?This is your straight forward mistakes.Acts 6;5,6...Philip,Prochorus...whom they set before Apostles. V.8 Stephen,..did great signs and wonders among his people.Clearly,these NON-apostles,had prove your words erred. Now we have CLEAR-CUT MENTIONED,CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU SAID,the converts,like Stephen doing so much,signs and wonders. Pro:4] On the Day of Pentecost, Peter shared about the fulfilling of Joel's prophecy that God had poured out His Spirit. Was it not at Pentecost that this prophecy was being fulfilled? Frank:Oh No?Acts 2;17....it shall come to pass in the last days.It was at Pentecost,but our eyes were not fooled at all.It was in the last days,and it evidently refer right to our days.Are we in the last days or not?The Spirit speak expressly,in the last days,people will give heed to seducing spirits....2 Tim 3;1...Your another errors,very obvious. Pro:3] The passages quoted [Luke 24:44-49 and Acts 1:7 & 8 ... YOU shall receive POWER when the Holy Spirit has come upon you] deal with the indwelling of the Spirit. Gifts were not mentioned... Frank:And they were all filled with the Spirit and begun to speak in new tongues...is that not gifts?Acts 2;4. Why such a clear cut talk of, Speaking in tongues ,being mentioned,yet why you said "IT WAS NOT MENTIONED"? INDEED MOST PUZZLING?What if people just trust you and check not the scriptures?Something is wrong,and very wrong,dear! Pro:The greek word used for the second coming is 'telos', not 'to teleion' in verse ten for 'perfection' which means 'the completed thing' or 'mature'. Prophecies, tongues and knowledge are the gifts whereby God communicates supernatural, authorutative and infallible truth..... Frank: No quarrel with that "telos",...When that Perfect comes...is mere speculating when Charismatics state that it is second coming of Christ..more likely to meant The Church which had mature,or is Perfect...or should be, come of age,. However,it can never refer to Completion of Bibles,or nothing fit into your explanations. "You Said,:What is the final completed form of God speaking supernaturally, authoritatively and infallibly? Is it not the New Testament? " Frank:Tongues Speaking is for edification,Prophecies is for edifications for the Church,Knowledge of God is essential,for without it,God's people are destroyed. You are out of touch of basic grasp of scriptures.Bible are instructions,teachings and very much Histories.It is mentioned as New Testament,new agreements,new covenant... What is that?We are to follow its Teachings and exercise Faith to believe it words. I agree,it is the supernatural,authoritatively,and infallibly...so I accept this findings whereby God speaks... AND NOW THE BIBLE SAID,JN 14;17,...HE DWELLS WITH YOU AND WILL BE WITH YOU. JOHN 16;13 ..HE WILL SPEAK AND HE WILL TELLS YOU THINGS TO COME...Do you have the Holy Spirit in you? I believe Jesus words as final authority,and I agree,I believe,and it is infallibly true,that God will SPEAK TO ME. tHE nEW testament now tells me these things,and I trust True Protestant,so I will have Revelations from Holy Spirit,direct,because the Bible says so,and it is final,and infallible.If...these words I share to you guys ..cannot allay your follies of blind beliefs...God help you! God spoke to Philip telling him to join with the eunuch.That is direct intrevention by Speaking to Philip,what does it teach us?Do you remember 2 tim 3;16 ?..for teachings.. What does this episode teach us? Paul saw visions,..the Macedonia.."Come help us"..what does it tells us? God's ways and leadings in the lives of those events and incidents,are for our doctrines,teachings...so that we understand His ways.We may know His Acts,know His dealings... How God's love for them,we will know it can applies for us. eg...Are we to say that Revelations has stop?How on earth for Theologians so foolish to say,Once Bible is completed,Revelations has stopped.No basis at all! If you read old testament,Visions and Revelation become rare only when Isrealites abandon God. It becomes rare,and only prophets received all these Vision and Revelations,and hearing voices of God.They are not SUFFERRING from Psychosis,as you suggest,but it is God who Spoke to Them! Acts 13;28 God appointed these in the Church...apostles..prophets..teachers...Well,you said that the perfect has come...are there no more Apostles?Are there no more prophets?Are ther no more Teachers?by mere understanding Chapter 12 1 Cor...the PERFECT CHURCH HAS NOT ARRIVED SO ALL THESE MINISTRIES ARE NEEDED! So,is it not common for Apostles to received Revelation?Or Prophets?Or Teachers?..for what purpose?It is for the Church of course.For the maturity of the Church,for edifications. Since the Church is still here,and Christ has not yet come..so that Perfect can never refer to Unrelated subjects of Paul discussions...BIBLE COMPLETIONS!!!!The only common sense links is referring to Church!Paul is writng to Corithian Church! Paul never meant Scriptures Completions,in his issue of discussions. Paul never intended it.All knew it.Paul is writing to the Cor,and the Cor will never imagine it to be such! Say,perhaps,Supernaturally hidden meaning s is--- Bible completion...is that not then Revelation direct from God? In any case,we can not any- o- how make wild guesses out of contexts.We are to read in contexts,understand it contexts,so as to interpret wisely,and not foolishly! Paul is a witness,and is a writer.We can not put words to his,when he didn't mean it!say..perhaps...God supernaturally hide some things there mysteriously...But our understanding first and foremost,must be Fundamental,Simple,Given meanings. Or else,like we have it now,Chaos in mis-interpreting! Since Prophecies edify the Church..hey the Church has been missing...so it got to be still valid. Since knowledge is still needed...we will have super knowledge up there...we need it here..so can it be vanish? If knowledge has vanish,what on earth,Teachings are for?Discipling disciples for what?Use what Thing to disciple disciples? Tongues Speaking is for self edification,and added value for self spiritual growth,why has it ceased? It is a sign for Unbelievers. I pray in tongue,my spirit pray...we still need to pray.We still need to pray in tongues!!!!!Since you are non-charismartics,so how are you to know this side of Values? Speaking in tongues are speaking Mysteries and speaking to God...why deprive People of this essential gifts and its benefits?Why the agendas to tell people,to stop speaking to God?Why the evil malice,of those Theologians?If there is any hidden evil agendas,it"s Anti-Christ spirit is very very very clear!1 Cor 14;2 I am teaching all Christian to see,what blindness they are in,fooled by Theologians! I leave you with John Sung testimonies. He received Revelations direct from God. He hear voices of God,very often. Lord Jesus came face to face with him. John Sung prayed for the sick,and saw even cancers being destroyed,and lives healed. John Sung saw visions,and even seen alot of events. John Sung left alot of Singaporean,saved. 1,If true Protestant is correct in his theologies,so John Sung is a false Prophet. 2,If John Sung is correct in his claims and testimonies,True Protestant and all his ill-inherit Theologians of ERRORS,must repent.All who holds to Those Teachings of True Protestant,Must repent,right away. No one can vacillate at this juncture.This is decisive moment. As Christian,we will bow at truths,and be humble at His truths. CORDIAL REGARDS.Grow up pls. frank
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Yes some signs and wonders are explicitly mentioned but... by daniel, 2001, May 15
Cessation of Gifts. by frankie lee, 2001, May 15
Are you saying that all these 'manifestations' are the works of Satan?, 2001, May 15
Does It Stood the Test? by frankie lee, 2001, May 15
really? by Shock, 2001, May 21
At least David Copperfield admits that it is only an "illusion", 2001, May 15
Christian Integrity,holds priority! by frank, 2001, May 16
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