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Forum: Theological Expressions
Re: Elect
Re: I differ from yours. (frankielee)
Re: drag/draw
Re: Can a person resist the 'drawing'? n/t (SK)
Re: drawing-faith
Re: Concerning what Jesus said about being His sheep. (SK)
Re: Sheep talk
Re: Hi Anonymous & Interested, (SK)
Re: Elelction and Free Will
Re: Predestinations, Elections theories,by Augustine and John Calvin. (frankielee)
Re: Doesn't help
Re: SAME AS TRINITY DOCTRINE - ONLY POSSIBLE WITH GOD
Re: Any scientists to help us here? (SK)
Date: 2001, Jun 16
From: Interested

Hi! God lives outside time and space. Therefore He must know those who will be His elect from eternity, right? In other words He doesn't have to leave it to chance as to who will be saved and who will not. Einstein said, "God does not play dice". It is in this sense that Christ died only for the elect and effectively secured their salvation. That is why He was so confident when He was on earth. He knew exactly what He was doing. On the doctrine of Trinity, you'll have to do lots of research and be willing to "think like mad". I don't believe in the Oneness folks understanding of it. But any thinking person will agree that the doctrine of Trinity also poses problems. The main questions to ask is the doctrine of the Trinity in the NT? How much of it is strictly Bibilical and how much of it is from Greek philosophy like Platonism? Did the original Apostles believe is such a doctrine? They were Jews and strict monotheists. What exactly did they believe? How did the doctrine develop in history? You'll have to understand the great battles fought in the 4th century between Arius and Athanasius and the part played by Constantine; the concepts of "homoousios" and "homoiousious" and subsequent development of the doctrine after that. The other doctrine you must investigate is the two natures of Christ. Is this in the NT or does it also come form Greek philosophy? Whatever it is I think there are two errors to avoid. One is Tritheism, which really is polytheism, and the other is Patripassianism. I think all this is going to tax your brains to the limits. Remember, your unlimate authority for whatever you believe should be in the NT, in other words it should be what Jesus Christ and the Apostles taught. You don't have to believe anything which is not read in nor proved by the Scriptures. Enjoy thinking. Bye Bye:

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1. The earliest Creed, to SK by Interested , 2001, Jun 16

1. Thanks for your reply Interested... by SK, 2001, Jun 16

2. To SK, I missed "and His kingdom will have no end". by Interested , 2001, Jun 18

1. Theology is the study of God by Interested , 2001, Jun 18

2. Hey Truth Light, have you seen the light by now? by SK, 2001, Jun 18

1. Search more.... by TrueLight, 2001, Jun 18

(_ Origin of Trinity by TrueLight, 2001, Jun 18

(_ Is the Trinity Pagan? by RTC, 2001, Jun 19

(_ The problems of subordination. How can the Son not know what the Father think if they are equal. n/t, 2001, Jun 19

3. Clarify by TrueLight, 2001, Jun 18

1. To TrueLight, cc SK by Interested , 2001, Jun 19

1. Biblical data is sufficient by TrueLight, 2001, Jun 19

1. Hi TrueLight by Interested , 2001, Jun 19

2. To TrueLight, on your statements of faith by Interested , 2001, Jun 20

1. I have to explain.... by TrueLight, 2001, Jun 21

2. Hey Truelight! by SK, 2001, Jun 19

1. Monarchianism - the belief that the godhead is singular, consisting of one monarchia, 2001, Jun 19

1. OK lah...quote is easier...so here's the counter-quote for you ;-) by SK, 2001, Jun 19

1. All questions dealt before by TrueLight, 2001, Jun 19

(_ The Presumption of all presumptions!!! by SK, 2001, Jun 20

2. I think you should explain your faith in your own words instead of refering to URLs. Thank you. n/t by Interested , 2001, Jun 19

1. You did not follow... by TrueLight, 2001, Jun 20

(_ Do you mind sharing.. by TrueLight, 2001, Jun 20

(_ Hey, my faith is quite simple. by Interested , 2001, Jun 20

(_ But it does not follow .... by Interested , 2001, Jun 20

(_ Hahaha!!! You're very biblically collect n/t by SK, 2001, Jun 20

3. Modalisms = Denial of the full biblical revelations concerning the Son and the Holy Spirit by SK, 2001, Jun 20

1. Faith comes by hearing... by TrueLight, 2001, Jun 21

(_ The Confusion of all confusions... by SK, 2001, Jun 21

(_ More revelation will be revealed as the coming of Christ approach. by TrueLight, 2001, Jun 21

1. Jesus stated it Himself concerning the 3 in the Godhead... by SK, 2001, Jun 21

1. I have to correct your serious mistakes by TrueLight, 2001, Jun 23

1. On rebaptism by Interested , 2001, Jun 23

1. .......As long as Jesus name is preached. by TrueLight, 2001, Jun 23

(_ Reply to TrueLight by Interested , 2001, Jun 23

(_ You misunderstood again... by TrueLight, 2001, Jun 24

1. Always quoting DB !!?!! Hasn't his book been used to interprete the Bible instead? n/t, 2001, Jun 24

2. To TrueLight, Clarification by Interested , 2001, Jun 25

1. Is that your purpose? by TrueLight, 2001, Jun 25

(_ Reply to TrueLight again by Interested , 2001, Jun 25

2. I've run out of patience talking to you...I suggest... by SK, 2001, Jun 23

2. Jesus Christ is the final revelation of God by Interested , 2001, Jun 21

1. All revelation found in the Bible by TrueLight, 2001, Jun 23

2. John by TrueLight, 2001, Jun 19

1. Why did John have to say "... and the Word was with God..? by Interested , 2001, Jun 19

(_ The Word by TrueLight, 2001, Jun 21

4. Ah...when the elephants fight ... the ant (me) will step aside! ;-)) by SK, 2001, Jun 19

5. A little corrections. by frankielee, 2001, Jun 21

1. Hi Mr Frank, by SK, 2001, Jun 21

(_ Did God choose us and when did He do it? by Interested , 2001, Jun 22

1. Hey Interested, by SK, 2001, Jun 22

1. Hi SK, by Interested , 2001, Jun 22

2. SATAN WILL BE FOOLISH TO WASTE HIS TIME, 2001, Jun 22

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