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Forum: Theological Expressions
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Elect
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I differ from yours. (frankielee)
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drag/draw
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Can a person resist the 'drawing'? n/t (SK)
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drawing-faith
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Concerning what Jesus said about being His sheep. (SK)
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Sheep talk
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Hi Anonymous & Interested, (SK)
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Elelction and Free Will
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Predestinations, Elections theories,by Augustine and John Calvin. (frankielee)
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Doesn't help
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SAME AS TRINITY DOCTRINE - ONLY POSSIBLE WITH GOD
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Any scientists to help us here? (SK)
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To SK (Interested )
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Clarify (TrueLight)
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To TrueLight, cc SK (Interested )
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Biblical data is sufficient (TrueLight)
Date: 2001, Jun 20
From: Interested

Hi! You said, "We believe that Jesus is the name of God or God the Father (there is only 1 being in the Godhead). We also believe that the Son is God(or God the Father) manifest in flesh. Since the Son is Jesus(name of God the Father) manifest in flesh, therefore we can called the Son, Jesus. We all know that God is a Spirit and is holy, and since Jesus is God, we can say that Jesus is the Holy Spirit. Kim is right concerning our beliefs, but you must understand that we DO NOT BELIEVE that the SON IS THE FATHER (because the Son is God manifest in flesh while the Father is God)." Let's summarise your statements. 1) Jesus is the name of God or God the Father. 2) There is only 1 being in the Godhead. 3) Son is God or God the Father, manifested in the flesh. 4) God is Spirit and holy. Jesus is God. Therfore Jesus is the Holy Spirit. 5) We do not believe that the Son is the Father because the Son is manifestd in flesh while the Father is God. Your statement no. 5 is correct and is the same as what the Trinitarians believe. But your statements 1-4 is a desparate attempt to try and fit the Bibilical revelation of the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit into what you understand to be "one" God. The Trinitarians have also tried to do this but at least they admit that some part of their formulation is a mystery. Let's analyse your statements. Your Statement 3 says Son is God or God the Father, manifested in the flesh. If you substitute this for "Son" in statement 5 you'll get- We do not believe (God or God the Father, manifested in the flesh) is the Father because the Son is manifested in flesh while the Father is God. This makes the Father and the Son two beings. If you substitute Statement 1 in Statement 3 you get:- Son is Jesus, manifested in the flesh. This is correct. Statement 4 is logically correct but does not fit with the Bibilical data. You say God is Spirit and holy (adjectives). But you have changed adjectives to nouns when you conclude Jesus is the Holy Spirt(noun). I have already explained that I don't beieve the "one" is a mathematical "one". "Since the Son is Jesus(name of God the Father) manifest in flesh, therefore we can call the Son, Jesus." This statement seems to saying Son is Jesus, so we can call Him Jesus. Nothing unusual about that. In conclusion I think your statements are a "matter of words" rather than facts form Bibilical data, formulated by people who, in my opinion, are not trained to think in terms of mathematical logic. I don't see anything unique in your theology and so I think I'd prefer to leave it alone. Please give my regards to Kim. Bye Bye: