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Enjoy... But remember
"Don't give in to winning the argument
and losing one of your eternal crowns..."
God bless you...
I have to explain.... 
Elect 
I differ from yours. (frankielee)
drag/draw 
Can a person resist the 'drawing'? n/t (SK)
drawing-faith
Concerning what Jesus said about being His sheep. (SK)
Sheep talk
Hi Anonymous & Interested, (SK)
Elelction and Free Will 
Predestinations, Elections theories,by Augustine and John Calvin. (frankielee)
Doesn't help
SAME AS TRINITY DOCTRINE - ONLY POSSIBLE WITH GOD
Any scientists to help us here? (SK)
To SK (Interested )
Clarify (TrueLight)
To TrueLight, cc SK (Interested )
Biblical data is sufficient (TrueLight)
To TrueLight, on your statements of faith (Interested )
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Hi Interested,
Your statement no. 5 is correct and is the same as what the Trinitarians believe. ***You are not fully correct. You can say it is similar, but it is not the same. We believe that it is God the Father manifest in flesh, while some trinitarians believe it is the triune God manifest in flesh and others said it is God the Son manifest in flesh. Both of the trinitarian beliefs also got problem. If it is the triune God manifest in flesh, then trinitarian will have to explain the scene in the garden of Gethesmane, is it only "God the Son" praying to the Father. If it is "God the Son" manifest in flesh, then you have only 1/3 of God manifest in flesh which contradict Colossian 2:9. But your statements 1-4 is a desparate attempt to try and fit the Bibilical revelation of the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit into what you understand to be "one" God. The Trinitarians have also tried to do this but at least they admit that some part of their formulation is a mystery. ***We are not desperate in fitting anything. If the explanation fit the Word of God, why chose to believe in mystery. Let's analyse your statements. Your Statement 3 says Son is God or God the Father, manifested in the flesh. If you substitute this for "Son" in statement 5 you'll get- We do not believe (God or God the Father, manifested in the flesh) is the Father because the Son is manifested in flesh while the Father is God. This makes the Father and the Son two beings. ***Where got 2 beings. Both Trinitarian and Oneness believes that Jesus has 2 natures, the divine and human nature. The Father always refers to the deity of Jesus, whereas the Son refers to the humanity of Jesus. Statement 4 is logically correct but does not fit with the Bibilical data. You say God is Spirit and holy (adjectives). But you have changed adjectives to nouns when you conclude Jesus is the Holy Spirt(noun). ***We know that God is a Spirit, but what kind of Spirit? Evil Spirit? No! God is a holy spirit. The word "holy" has always been an adjective. The word "holy" is use to describe the kind of spirit God is. Holy Spirit - The adjective is "Holy", the noun is Spirit. In conclusion I think your statements are a "matter of words" rather than facts form Bibilical data, formulated by people who, in my opinion, are not trained to think in terms of mathematical logic. I don't see anything unique in your theology and so I think I'd prefer to leave it alone. ***First you said Oneness uses only biblical data only to prove God, but now you said is a matter of words and not facts form biblical data. Now I don't know what is what. Anyway, I am not trying to prove that Oneness doctrine is unique or the best, it is the revelation that God has given me which I want to share with all of you. God bless
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