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Re: None Letter to a Roman Catholic
Date: 2001, Jul 05
From: Emmanuel

Have you ever had an Evangelical Christian come up to you and ask, "are you born again?" Then this same person will read from their Bible: "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God" (John 3:3). If a Catholic knows what to say in such a situation they can make the evangelical speechless or maybe even a convert. In order to discuss this subject one must first know what being born again means? When a Catholic says they have been born again, they are referring to the forgiveness of sins and grace bestowed upon their soul during the sacrament of baptism. The Evangelical means that all one has to do is accept Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior and they have been "born again." They now think they are saved and will go to heaven no matter what. But is the Evangelical view of being born again what the Bible teaches? The answer is No!
 
One key Scripture verse ignored by the Evangelicals is (John 3:5) where Jesus states: "Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and spirit." This verse is ignored by them because it throws a monkey wrench into their theory of being born again. Jesus is clearly talking about baptism in this verse. In order to defend their claim, they will say the water is the preached word of God, but read (John 1:32) just before Jesus teaches Nicodemus about being born again. In this verse Christ, Himself was baptized by John the Baptist. Jesus goes down into the water and is baptized, the heavens open and the Holy Spirit descends upon him in the form of a dove. Christ did not have to be born again but He showed us what we must do in order to inherit the kingdom of God. The only logical conclusion one can make from the Biblical evidence is being born again is when one is properly baptized.
 
A Catholic must remember that an Evangelical thinks baptism is only a symbol. They do not believe baptism forgives sins or permanently marks the soul with a sign of God's grace. It seems funny that so-called Bible christians that pride themselves for following the Bible to the letter ignore the verses that clearly state the saving grace of baptism.
 
Catholics should remember the following verses because they clearly refute the Evangelical position : "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he that does the will of the Father who is heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven" (Matt 7:21) and "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone." (James 2:24) So the answer to the question, Are Catholics born again? is YES! Since all Catholics have been baptized. Doesn't it make sense to follow the Roman Catholic Church with almost 2,000 years of knowledge and insight than some evangelical church that has been at it only a few years.

 So Catholics should ask Evangelicals, "Are you born again
according to the Bible?" If they have not been properly baptized, then they have not been born again according to the Bible, no matter what they may think.


In His Glory,

Emmanuel

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1. Feedback Thanks Emmanuel...we're all baptised already. eom by John-de-baptist, 2001, Jul 05
1. Ok So I assume that you know everyone here! Wow! Praise the Lord,Alleluia by Emmanuel, 2001, Jul 06
1. Ok Aiyah...don't forget to the Calvinists 'we' or 'all' refer to the chosen only leh! , 2001, Jul 06
(_ Disagree Dare to Aiya Aiya but not guts to expose your nice self, am I talking to a...?, 2001, Jul 06
2. Question Sola Scriptura (Asking for help from Tuck Leong and Matthew) by Emmanuel, 2001, Jul 06
2. None Not all evangelicals are alike...., 2001, Jul 05
1. Ok I understand your meaning.......... by Emmanuel, 2001, Jul 06
1. None RC-Prot relations, 2001, Jul 07
1. None Thankyou for your clarification! I am very touched, I agreed with you! (n/t) by Emmanuel, 2001, Jul 09
2. News Unity is important!!! by Xavier, 2001, Jul 10
2. Sad Philgrim by Emmanuel, 2001, Jul 06
1. Feedback To Emmanuel, by SK, 2001, Jul 06
1. Sad Ignorant by Emmanuel, 2001, Jul 06
(_ None To Xavier and Damien by Emmanuel, 2001, Jul 06
(_ Feedback WHAT ARE THE CHANCES ?, 2001, Jul 07
(_ Agree I agree with you.......... by Emmauel, 2001, Jul 09
(_ None No need confirmation course. Only God can confirm us, 2001, Jul 09
1. None missed the point, 2001, Jul 09
1. Feedback Hi........... by Xavier, 2001, Jul 10
2. Feedback Ridiculous........ by Xavier, 2001, Jul 10
1. None different terms and expectations, 2001, Jul 10
(_ Ok Thanks for your kind info! by Xavier, 2001, Jul 11
2. Question Evangelista meus? by Christopher Yip, 2001, Jul 09
1. Ok I think it means ... by Translator, 2001, Jul 09
1. Ok You got it right! Translator! by Emmanuel, 2001, Jul 09
2. Ok Chris, Ans by Emmanuel, 2001, Jul 09
1. Ok What is Calvinist my Evangelist? by Christopher Yip, 2001, Jul 09
1. Ok my guess by Translator, 2001, Jul 09
(_ Ok more ... by Translator, 2001, Jul 09
2. None Veni Sancte Spiritus , 2001, Jul 09
1. None Veni sancte spiritus happens to be one of my favourite hymns which is sung during whitsuntide. - eom by Tuck, 2001, Jul 10
2. None Are you Frank? Sounds like you, haha! =) by Emmanuel, 2001, Jul 10
1. Feedback The Piglrim and Frank are 2 different persons... by SK, 2001, Jul 10
(_ Ok Thanks for your clarification, SK! (n/t) by Emmanuel, 2001, Jul 10
(_ None Er...I am not Frank. I am THE PILGRIM....., 2001, Jul 10
(_ Ok Since when ?, 2001, Jul 10
(_ None Ayoh, 2001, Jul 11
(_ None SK is a Sister in Christ,not Brother...frank.n/t, 2001, Jul 11
1. None Opps! , 2001, Jul 11
2. Ok Hi SK, what is your full name? n/t, 2001, Jul 11
1. Ok The name's not important...but suffice to say i'm Pentecostal from TP's definition. eom by SK, 2001, Jul 11
1. Question May I know....... by Thomas Lim, 2001, Jul 11
1. None just kaypo, 2001, Jul 11
(_ None Thankyou very much! =) (n/t) by Thomas Lim, 2001, Jul 11
(_ None Some directions to go there. by frankielee, 2001, Jul 11
(_ Idea Thankyou Frank! by Thomas Lim, 2001, Jul 17
2. Question clarification, 2001, Jul 11
1. None same person,lah! by frank, 2001, Jul 12
1. None Thanks.! (EOM) from Pilgrim, 2001, Jul 12
2. Feedback Referring to the definition you borrowed from Quebedeaux... by SK, 2001, Jul 22

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