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Forum: Theological Expressions
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Lord Jesus went to Hell. (frankie lee)
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The Apostles Creed - Back to Exegesis (Christopher Yip)
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Our Lord Jesus went to Hell. (frankie lee)
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Frank, you need more exegesis and exposition. (Christopher Yip)
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SMS for now. (frankielee)
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But what does it mean "He descended into Hades", Frank? (Christopher Yip)
Date: 2001, Jul 14
From: frankielee

Chris:? You said that the descent article in the Creed means what you said it means, I'd like to know on what basis do you make such an assertion?
Can you do that, Frank, without calling down hell-fire on me? Would appreciate some decent civilised dialogue for a change from the recent spate of ad hom and insanity.
Christopher .
Frank:I provoke people to think for themselves,and reason for themselves whenever possible,without relying on questionable teachings.I am not from uncivilised world,nor am I desiring to call fire on you.Since you have miscontrue it that way,I empathise with you.
By close scrutiny,you would have realised that my message is continuous.I haven't stop yet.It was you who showed me spacing of postings and each time I post my posts,i remember you for that. Whenever,or where-ever we are proven to be wrong in doctrines,let us humbly accept them,shall we?
Apostle Creed told us that Jesus descend into Hell/Hades,in summary,was based on scriptures,even YOU have agreed that it is based on Holy Scriptures.If you had read that as a scriptural accounts,what problems or man make problems do we have now?
But what is puzzling is your self -conflicting but very confused words,trying to deny what was the plain understanding of His going down to Hell,as something to meant that "He died."
Chris:"...it is an emphasis that Jesus died and that death is not only real and complete but it was terribly painful. .." Frank:Of course we know that,as it was plain in the gospel accounts.No one had problems with that.
Jesus descend into Hell,as anybody can read that,and will know what it is meant without further elaborations!Perhaps what you would like to know is,"any proofs of this from scriptural records,or any valid experience of God's saint." But since you are not disputing that this is part of scriptures,so where does man-made problems arise?Is it not deriving from personal doubts and unbeliefs of its testimony which was given to us by Apostle Creed?
Imagine,Christian all over this world state its confessions publicly..Jesus descend into Hell...as not meaning Jesus descend into Hell,but meaning that He died?
All that I am pleading with you,Chris is,Can you read English? Antioch friends would laugh at me for asking this question,for your command language is evident.But wait a miniute,how come you failed to read a clear sentence?That Jesus descend /going to Hell meant exactly that?
Chris: ? You said that the descent article in the Creed means what you said it means, I'd like to know on what basis do you make such an assertion? Frank:My basis of saying that is from scriptures.My basis is that Apostle creed says so.I am not interested commentators who inject and insert words in and tries to find fault of what it says,and is referring to something else.Not that way!
Also,I can read and study scriptures and see if it is really so.I see that it is really so.I am fully convince that it is so.My spirit bears me witness...must I reveal all my sources?
When I have arrange all properly scriptural verses,and as He lead me,I will provide more Convincing words,but for now,I hope you can see point One?
Regards,