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Forum: Theological Expressions
Re: Church Growth (Wahshing)
Date: 2001, Aug 17
From: frank

..the language of the Bible simply doesn’t square with the language of the church growth movement experts...Martin Frank:According to us,it is very plain that we conflict with Martin's theologies.Without doubt,this guy is very ignorant. Martin:It doesn’t take an intellectual giant to realize that a “user-friendly church” is nothing more than the argumentum ad populum. Frank:"argumentum ad populum"?Can somebody straigthaway tells me what does it mean?I read it as,"Hubris "of him to write like that. The language of the Bible is the reasons of Church growth.Such despised writings,and derogatory remarks against the Church growth,truly reveals his deep ignorance,and deep bias against the work of God. If Church growth movement experts,say Peter Wagner and Cho YYonggi,deeds and words does not square with the language of the Bible,then,today,we will not be seeing as much Christian in our land as ever! Cell Groups were the ingenius plan of God,directly handed to Cho's and were put in writings,which resulted mega Church we had had today.The revivals of Christians,and we can witness so many souls saved today,thanks be to God who showed such principles to them!I have watch the systems turn into success,FCBC,City Harvest,Calvary Charismatics Center,Trintiy Christian Center,New Creation Church,and many many more over all these years. I for one,knows what I am talking about. It was direct Revelations given to Cho,about those spiritual principles. Martin:Their pragmatism drives them toward man-centered authority and away from God-centered authority in matters of faith and practice". Frank:Is such accusations true or false?I think it is tending to the false corner.As far as I am concerned,it take no genius to see that Martin is slandering the servants of God,who gave us the precious words of God,concerning Church Growth.It was successful,and it is working,and Christian is still adopting its practice,{Wah Sing is involve in House Groups also}... Martin:The temptation to follow the ways of the world is very strong indeed. Frank:It is correct for him.He had just followed the worldly ways.To maligned without basis,is his temptations.To jealous about Church growth,to be envious about successful Church are more the temptations he failed to see. I know what I affirm and what I say. frank.

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Messages Inline: Outline:

1. Martin's argues againts methods ... not people by Bill Roth, 2001, Aug 17

1. You are right, Bill! by Emmanuel, 2001, Aug 18

2. I see it as Obstructions to Church growth. by frankielee77@hotmail.com, 2001, Aug 19

1. Hello Frank by Bill Roth, 2001, Aug 19

2. Our earthly mission by Emmanuel, 2001, Aug 18

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