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We need changed hearts, not miracles. (Wahshing)
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Why many kept calling myJesus,a false healer,today?
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It's time to come back from "Experience" to Scriptures! (Christopher Yip)
Date: 2001, Aug 29
From: frank

Dear Chris,This long articles of yours contained serious errors to a great proportion. Do you believe on what I say? 1,About gifts of Healings.It is God who grant that special Gift.I only see ill will to God's gifts as given to His servants.This articles contained serious slanders and distortions to a very large extent.For your info,this repetitions of falsehoods spreading for quite some time already,just like Proctor and Gamble cases,it is already understood by us.But it is still in the domain of non-charismatic Christians who continue to hold dear to its fallacies,for some strange reasons after another.
2,Oral Roberts.." It is a monument to the unfulfilled promises of faith healing". This is negative reports,and rejoicing at the failure of a man of God.Mind you,Oral Roberts contributed extensively and successfully till this day,Oral Roberts University.They have great success in many areas for the Lord.The above words are clearly spoken out of jealousies and envies.It is a reports of despising the failures of a man.
If that place is a monument of failure,as suggested as unfulfiled promises of Faith healing;then Oral Roberts University is a monument of greater fulfilment of Faith Healing.It is still teaching about Faith Healings till this day in University!!!!
Then Kathryn Kulmen foundations,is a monument of greater success then ever.Its message of Faith Healings still stand tall and strong,and it had overwhelm all unbelievers of Faith Healings.The Charismatics is the strongest organisation in the world today,or as Christian way of speaking,it is a strong body of Christ,standing as a witness today,overshadowed the lack of success of many brethren in deliverance of the sick and gospel preach to the heathens,if I may boast for the Lord.
While the skeptics offer no help or solutions,but strife in the Bodies,we who believe in divine healings,as set out in the Statment of Faith,never was disputed.I challenge anyone who dare to challenge the Statement of our Christian Faith.
Up till now,NOT a SINGLE person ever found fault on Kathryn's statment of faith and belief of miracles.
3,About spitting saliver.Jesus did that before.Unintentionally,why that poor Chap call Jesus performing gimmicks?
4,Temporary sign gifts?Why did this poor Chap state that the gifts of God is temporary?I remind all,the gifts of God is without repentence.The most ridculous thing we had heard today about temporary gifts of God!
5,I quote this poor cHAP,"Once the Word of God was inscripturated, the sign gifts were no longer needed and they ceased"
fRANK;How many times we have proven in this forum and elswhere,that the sign gifts were needed,and they do not ceased.There is nowhere in scriptures to suggest this non-sense. The stubborn people who were shown the correct doctrines,yet kept trying to distort the Holy Scriptures,can somebody convince me that it is not from Devils,or doctrines of the Devils in ESSENCE?
Assumptions no 1,...if this poor Chap is correct,then indeed all AOG,Charismatics,90% of Christian in Singapore is deceived.We are all doom for sure,for where does all this display of signs gifts fit?On the other hand,we are correct,is it too much to say this chap is teaching Doctrines of demons?
The Sign Gifts were there to help Church,to heal the sick and get people out of demon possessions.The gift of dicernment is to see which is which in the spiritual world.We are not fighting flesh and blood,nor human enemies.The vast testimonys of Christian in this world testify to the lies of such a person who spurts lies.
How does one know God withdraw gifts from us?It take greater Divine Revelations to know that. My God,and Lord Jesus told me that it had not cease,the gifts have not cease.That is it.This is my testimony.
6,Miracle powers, then, were limited in scope and restricted to apostolic ministry. They were not given to the average Christian (Mark 16:20; Heb. 2:3-4), though some who were commissioned by an apostle shared in the ministry of miraculous gifts (such as Philip; Acts 8:6-7). The astute theologian B. B. Warfield correctly observed that the miraculous gifts ....above were pure falsehoods. frank: For those who did not know I had refuted B.B Warfied before. My proves:Mark 16;17 Jesus said,"And these signs will follow those who believe".Is it not for the average Christian? The clearest conditions laid out by our Lord Himself is ,"For those who believe..for those who believe..for those who believe..."Obviously it is not for those who do not believe in the Sign Gifts at all."Those who do not believe do not qualify.This simple criteria,is clearly understood."
Is preaching the gospel limited to a few?Can we use the Name of Jesus?We who believe in Christ,can we get to be baptised?
When we prayed or lay hands to heal people in the name of Jesus,is it not in Jesus Name that it is ministered?Is it not Jesus,the great physician?
Why the nastiness of B.B Warfied to say that it is not for Christian to do the signs gifts when our Lord very clearly states otherwise?
7,""Often the gift of miracles was closely related to healing, since disease could be brought on by satanic or demonic influence""" We as Charismatics know that this Chap again had confused with Miracles and Healings gifts.These terms had confused him so as we are sure that we have the real thing!
8,Why is it that charismatic healers have not attempted that? Why not assemble all those who say they have gifts of healing and have them go out to minister where the worst ...
frank:This is the usual attack without knowledge,so often by them.Since Jesus already died for the Whole World,and they can get a place in Heaven,why don't go around the world and saved them ? a,We are limited by time space and constraints by many factors.The recipient must agree to it and accept our Faith. We cannot barge in just like that. They are even carnal Christians,who allowed Spiritual Christians who believe the Divine Healings message,to pray over their loved ones and relatives.When their relatives do not displayed cooperations or Faith in the Lord Jesus,and did not get heal,the BLAME is on that GOOD SAMARITANs!
The carnal Christian even had the audacities to blame the Charismatics Christian for being such a BUSY body,and ruining their relatives faith in Christ,whom preferring Cultural funeral to Christian Funeral.
It is like,"Please come and help me.When help is not given,curses are given".
We are also constraints by this silly people who distrust us and so ruin many souls for good.
9,See this slander,and distortions. "? Why aren't more healers using their gift on the streets in India and Bangladesh? Why aren't they in the leper colonies and AIDS hospices where masses of people are racked by disease? It is not happening. Why? Because those who claim the gift of healing do not really have it. The gift of healing was a temporary sign gift for the authenticating of the Scriptures ....
FRANK:So very clearly,if it is happennings,then it proves beyond a shadow of doubt of this most ignorant carnal Christian.Please read the articles,"Concerning the moves of God"
It had happen.So it proves this carnal Christian lack of knowledge and mis-informations.
This Chap is so against the gifts,and he seems happy if it is not happenings.But it did!
10, Dr Nolen one sided story,I do not believe on what he said. It is distortions.Kathryn's foundation stood taller to his distortions.There are more documented cases,sign by renowned specialists,greater than his ignorance!
11,Jesus confirmed that same idea in Matthew 9:12 when he said, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician but those who are ill." Granted, Jesus was speaking of the problem of sin, but he was using an analogy that everyone understood. Sick people need a doctor. By those words, our Lord affirmed that medical treatment is consistent with the will of God.
This is quite sound.But the scathing attacks against Divine Healings,which had went on since Christ times,perhaps many had not realised its evil influnce.It had stem from a pure hatred of Christ interventions in our lives,and healing the sick,from the enemy's camp.The attack of Divine Healings,though substance remains,but some were modified to fit today's readers,seemingly.
Just to add sound doctrines to the above,....in those days,there are also Physicians,and they should go to the physicians and must not come to Jesus for healings...?oh wrong,they came to Jesus for Healings despite of the presence of physicians in those days.
Lord Jesus is still alive.There is no self styled healer who claim themselves having such powers.Not one that I know.It is not Benny Hinn,either.Since He reveal it is the Lord Jesus Christ who is the Healer,it just confirm to us that indeeed,Benny Hinn is true,and those who falsely accuse him of self-styled Healer,WERE TOTALLY BASELESS AND PROVES TO ALL CHRISTIAN THAT THESE ARE REALLY FALSE ACCUSERS OF LAST DAYS PHENOMENON.Benny Hinn's testimony about Lord Jesus,is not something anybody can lightly dismiss.I tell you,many are shock that they were played into the enemy's hands just like that.Who is truly being deceived has always been very clear.
What is most important is,Is Healings ministered in Jesus name or any other name? Surely we are not that blind to the truths,or are we?
Blessings.