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Forum: Theological Expressions
Re: Note We need changed hearts, not miracles. (Wahshing)
Re: Sad Why many kept calling myJesus,a false healer,today?
Re: Warning It's time to come back from "Experience" to Scriptures! (Christopher Yip)
Re: Warning All those queries and distortions were refuted long ago!Here's more.
Re: None "Refuted"? You mean "rancour", don't you? (Christopher Yip)
Re: News I oblige You. (FrankieLee)
Re: None And I am STILL waiting ... (Christopher Yip)
Re: Disagree Please be open and I assume you are reasonable.1. (FrankieLee)
Re: None But unfortunately, you are not. (Christopher Yip)
Re: Ok Superficial or deep,at a glance? (FrankieLee)
Re: Ok Frank and Chris, pls read, thankyou (Emmanuel)
Re: None Nope. (Christopher Yip)
Re: Question Hi Chris, I have a question for people who cessationists (Royston Ong)
Re: Agree On Cessationism (Christopher Yip)
Re: Ok In so saying.... (Royston Ong)
Re: None Wrong way (Christopher Yip)
Re: Ok Please correct me if I have not yet figured it out (Royston Ong)
Date: 2001, Sep 09
From: Christopher Yip CKHY

Dear Royston,

It is not cessationists who limit what God can do today. That would be a slanted argument used by charismatics. It is God Himself who has chosen to withdraw the sign gifts. We are merely recognising that in His overall plan.

Think it this way if you like: if God is sovereign and He is, do you think any mortal's belief in cessationism can stop Him from still giving the gift of healing to someone?

Charismatics like to use the argument of the lack of faith. Some claim that we don't experience the sign gifts because we have lost faith in sign gifts. It then becomes a chicken and egg thing. Do we lack faith because we don't see the sign gifts or are we sceptical because we don't see the sign gifts? Which is the cause and which is the effect?

Let us grant the charismatic his argument. So the lack of faith explains the absence of the sign gifts among cessationists but what about among charismatics? Do we see the sign gifts in operation? Please don't confuse modern day faith healers chichaneries with biblical apostolic exercise of sign gifts. As I said before, charismatics must find modern day examples of the exercise of sign gifts that fit biblical description of sign gifts.

Perhaps you can also consider this: what difference does it make if we say that people are healed as a result of God answering prayer, it has nothing to do with any gift of healing? Let's apply this to Kathryn Kuhlman. Someone said that she had a big heart and that she died of heart failure because her heart expanded out of love for the sick. That's interesting, poetic but not medically sound. Anyway, when Kuhlman prayed for healing, what difference does it make if we say that God sometimes answered Kuhlman's prayer and healed the person and sometimes God chose not to answer that prayer for His own greater reason; and to say that the person was healed as a result of Kuhlman's exercise of her gift of healing?

Regards,

Christopher

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1. Note Hi Chris by Royston Ong, 2001, Sep 09
1. None You still have a few strawman arguments which I rebutted but you are getting there. (eom) by Christopher Yip, 2001, Sep 12
2. Note Ahhh I see your point now and I wonder whether Frankie can share his by Royston Ong, 2001, Sep 12
3. None Save-by-grace gave good response. by FrankieLee, 2001, Sep 12
1. Idea Ok maybe to avoid another Theological debate between you and Chris by Royston Ong, 2001, Sep 12
1. Feedback Die hard fans,of the fallacies! by FrankieLee, 2001, Sep 13
(_ More Hi Frankie by Royston Ong, 2001, Sep 13
1. Feedback Gifts of Healing? by FrankieLee, 2001, Sep 14
2. Idea ONE point ,for clarity first. by FrankieLee, 2001, Sep 14
1. Idea Please get a copy of A Diary of Signs & Wonders by Maria Woodworth-Etter. That book speaks volume. eom by saved-by-grace, 2001, Sep 14
2. None From a cessationist named Frankie. by Christopher Yip, 2001, Sep 13
1. Disagree Frankielee....this is utter nonsense! (But USA is top priority now) eom by saved-by-grace, 2001, Sep 13
1. None Pls do not blame Frankie or Chris, if you wish to blame you can blame me instead by Royston Ong, 2001, Sep 13
1. Feedback explanation by saved-by-grace, 2001, Sep 14
2. Agree Glad that you think so! Now, go look at Frankie's responses to mine. Familiar? (eom) by Christopher Yip, 2001, Sep 13
2. Disagree Jack Deere knocked down too many fallacies. by FrankieLee, 2001, Sep 14
1. None One point to illustrate,Jack Deere says... by FrankieLee, 2001, Sep 14
1. Disagree blah blah blah ... in the end, BLANK! Rebut this, Frank. by Christopher Yip, 2001, Sep 15
(_ Warning Chris,it is time you surrender,and be silent. by FrankieLee, 2001, Sep 16
(_ Angry Frank, go enrol yourself for study and stop misleading people with your ill-logic and unbiblical teachings. by Christopher Yip, 2001, Sep 16
2. Disagree ... until you BLUR? by Christopher Yip, 2001, Sep 15
3. Note I retract for the record of Truths. by Frank, 2001, Oct 07

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