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Can the saints be cut off from the vine? i'm trying to find some answers to some questions only. eom 
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temporal discipline yes. eternal damnation, no. by Keith, 2001, Oct 20
A good question indeed. by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 20
take away = remove, not discipline by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 20
Th problem lies with the Greek word AIRO by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 20
Revelation of John 15 by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 20
What is branch? by True Light, 2001, Oct 21
Please hold that thot by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 21
Hi TL, new insights to John 15. This time round from Watchman Nee by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 23
pruning vs disciplining by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 20
Concerning Bruce's explanation by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 21
The question: lift up or take away? by Ivan, 2001, Oct 21
Untitled by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 21
In-Depth Study by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 21 
You are right by True Light, 2001, Oct 21
Hey True Light by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 21
Yes, I think we share the same view by True Light, 2001, Oct 21
Hi SBG, by Interested , 2001, Oct 22
Well... by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 22
If you want to understand why I reject Trinity, you must read up more on Oneness. by True Light, 2001, Oct 23
Dear True Light by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 23
Hey True Light! - Very amusing, indeed. by Interested , 2001, Oct 23
I also got no problem. I think the one who got problem is you. EOM by True Light, 2001, Oct 23
May be, but Oneness Pentecostalism is not one of them and never will be. n/t by Interested , 2001, Oct 23
Arianism are called Christian Universalism in modern time by True Light, 2001, Oct 25
Hi True Light, don't know what you are talking about. by Interested , 2001, Oct 25
Anyway, if you are interested, check for yourself regarding Christian Universalism. EOM by True Light, 2001, Oct 25
Thanks, but am not interested. n/t by Interested , 2001, Oct 25 
We have debated before but no direct answer given by True Light, 2001, Oct 23
You don't understand because you never make an effort to read. by True Light, 2001, Oct 23
Keep bearing fruit and more fruit by Ivan, 2001, Oct 20
Matt 15 cannot go with John 15 by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 20
Royston, please do not put words into my posting:" I say saints cannot be uprooted or thrown away or take away" eom. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 20
Am I? by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 20
The tares(pseudo-saints) and the wheat (saints) by Ivan, 2001, Oct 21
Definition of Saint by True Light, 2001, Oct 21
Issue might be bigger than this, TL by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 21
To Royston by True Light, 2001, Oct 21
Hello TL by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 22
Looks like we differ by True Light, 2001, Oct 22
That was what I thought initially as well by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 22
Thanks Chris, you have helped me locate that verse I had quoted here... 1 Cor 3:12-15 by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 22 
True Light...you are correct on this by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 22
It is not about Universalism.... by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 22
Neither is it about easy believism...eom by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 22
With now a clearer understanding... by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 24
I apologize by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 24
More warnings and strengthenings by Ivan, 2001, Oct 22
I do not know whether it is because your England is weak or what, but by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 22
I really am wondering whether your eyes are in good balance by Ivan, 2001, Oct 22
You are like a court jester trying to get attention through the wrong approach by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 23
RO, you need an English tutor badly............ by Ivan, 2001, Oct 23
Making grammatical mistakes is a small thing, but making misquotes is A SERIOUS PROBLEM eom by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 23
Are you guilty of misquoting Scriptures to suit your theology, RO? by Ivan, 2001, Oct 23
My stand comes from Evangelicals, as clearly stated by Interested. Do your research pls eom by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 23
I have a suggestion to end this dispute between us by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 23
Will you change your stand should my Pastor agree with my postings? eom. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 23
Just to inform you. My Senior Pastor recently came in here, and has attested me. Therefore.. by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 06
It is not enough just to depend on the sole judgment of your Senior Pastor. eom. by Ivan, 2001, Nov 06
Stop consoling yourself ... by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 06
Who am I? by Ivan, 2001, Oct 23
All true (as opposed to merely professing) believers are Saints by Keith, 2001, Oct 21
Keith, what is your understanding of professing Christians? Please elaborate. eom. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 21
my definition of professing christians by Keith, 2001, Oct 22
Thanks, Keith. Do you know why they want to stay this way and where can you find them?eom. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 22
Not for me to speculate by Keith, 2001, Oct 22
On professing Christians by Ivan, 2001, Oct 22
Hi Keith, what do you understand by "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling"? eom. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 22
just like peter who cried out for mercy when Jesus rewarded him with nets-breaking, boats-sinking loads of fishes by Keith, 2001, Oct 24
Again I fully agree with your statement, but I wonder whether Ivan understands. Hmmm eom by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 24
So, what is the argument? That we do not have to work out our salvation.Is this your stand and RO? eom. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 24
Keith, it seems that Ivan has not demarcated the difference between salvation by Christ and salvation by works eom by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 22
Hi Keith by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 21
Yes, Royston, we are in perfect agreement here. Grace be with you too :-) eom by Keith, 2001, Oct 22
Regarding the thief on the cross by True Light, 2001, Oct 21
A good tree bears good fruit by Ivan, 2001, Oct 21
You are right by True Light, 2001, Oct 21
You are again misquoting by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 21
Please do your research before you jump into conclusion by Ivan, 2001, Oct 21
Now I know you are truly blind to what the Word of God is saying to the Church by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 21
We will close for now till you have done your research. eom. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 21
Amendment: Should read as (Christlikeness). eom. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 20
Back-peddle by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 20
On John 15:2 by True Light, 2001, Oct 21
From various translations by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 21
Every translation says you're wrong. eom by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 21
That is on the account of the issue of "take away"...in so doing, you are choosing to ignore the other details. by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 21
Thank you for all the translations. by True Light, 2001, Oct 21
hi TL, am well aware which section you would have issues with by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 21
OK! eom by True Light, 2001, Oct 22
Let's not suffer long over the entangled weeds with the wheat. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 22
"He who endures(remain steadfast)till the end shall be saved." by True Light, 2001, Oct 23
Indeed, the truth shall set us free! by Ivan, 2001, Oct 23
You are right on track, Royston. by Christopher Yip, 2001, Oct 22
Let's settle it once and for all by Ivan, 2001, Oct 22
Like I say... by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 22
Are the Corinthians saved? by Christopher Yip, 2001, Oct 23
Yes, and so there is hope for their counterparts of this gentration. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Oct 23
On Corinthian Christians by Ivan, 2001, Oct 23
Response by Christopher Yip, 2001, Oct 24
Let the Holy Spirit guide us into all truths. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 24
Reading one's theology into the scriptures = eisegesis by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 23
You mean yourself? :-) by Christopher Yip, 2001, Oct 23
You say it yourself. by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 23
Read what you have just quoted in context with John 15:1-6 by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 23
Hi Royston by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 23
Hi SBG, an understanding of Modern Christianity vs Evangelical stand by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 23
the better term for followers is disciples. For we are all called to make disciples of men by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 23
explanation by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 24
Hi SBG, I thought I am the only one out of job, how come you are so free, can reply at this time?eom by True Light, 2001, Oct 24
True Light...you're not the only one jobless. by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 24
That depends on how you read the word "of" by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 24
On warning... by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 23
We are not taught that salvation is by works as i have already explained to you. by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 24
By proliferating a stand that you MUST work out your salvation WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING is already by works by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 24
I have given my answer. eom by Ivan, 2001, Oct 24
salvation and falling away by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 24
Agree? by True Light, 2001, Oct 24
Not entirely agree, but will choose to take a break for a while, maybe wiser to let you guys spend time thinking abt it by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 24
Do you consider 2nd generation christian or sunday christian a SAINT? by True Light, 2001, Oct 24
2nd generation Christians and Sunday Christians are SAINTS and will enter into the Kingdom of God. eom by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 24
Last question. by True Light, 2001, Oct 25
As recorded in the accounts of Luke 12:46, these will be ASSIGNED a place with the UNBELIEVERS eom by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 25 
& according to Luke 12:47-48, 2nd generation Christians & Sunday Christians will be punished, but nothing on banishment by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 25
It is best we separate from here... by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 24
Dear SBG by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 25
Remember Apostle Paul and his dealings with the Corinthians.......... by Ivan, 2001, Oct 25
Untitled by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 25
I am just showing concern.....I put forth the hard but balanced messages.......knowing that I may be miscontrued. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 25
Be reconciled by Ivan, 2001, Oct 24
I don't think you believe "once saved always saved" by True Light, 2001, Oct 23
Haha! Ok, Wesley's "once saved, always saved" is different from Calvin's "once saved, always saved" by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 23
Ha!Ha! a tough question for you. by True Light, 2001, Oct 24
Not quite there yet from the Evangelical viewpoint by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 24
Get your facts right first by True Light, 2001, Oct 24
Why do you need so many straw man? by Christopher Yip, 2001, Oct 24
Hi Chris, I'm saying most of them, not all. EOM by True Light, 2001, Oct 24
Can you support that assertion? by Christopher Yip, 2001, Oct 25
My friends by True Light, 2001, Oct 25
Find out Calvinism for yourself then. by Christopher Yip, 2001, Oct 26
Yes! Man's theology will be shaken too! eom. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 24
All your statements indicate the lack of understanding to God's all-encompassing love for His people by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 24
I do not want to be drag into your arguments for the sake of arguments because it is a bottomless pit. eom. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 24
A false sense of security by Ivan, 2001, Oct 24
One has to understand the life story of Wesley to understand his views by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 24
It is purely God at work alone......... by Ivan, 2001, Oct 24
Hey Royston, On Calvin's Temporary Faith by Interested , 2001, Oct 26
Haha Am not aware of this. Thanks for bringing it up by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 26
Check this out by Eveline How, 2001, Oct 27
Thanks Eveline by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 27
Reply to Royston, by Interested , 2001, Oct 27
Oh i see what you mean now by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 27
Look like you also agree that some saints will lose their salvation. EOM by True Light, 2001, Oct 27
Appreciate if you could answer the questions I raise ... by Christopher Yip, 2001, Oct 24
I have already stated...i rest my case. Bye! eom by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 24
Let's put it to rest! by Ivan, 2001, Oct 24
Some points to raise by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 24
I am Biblical! I am not an evangelical! eom. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 24
One more question only... by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 24
The works of Christ must point men to God......... by Ivan, 2001, Oct 25
Thanks for quoting Jhn 9:3,4. by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 25
Thanks for cautioning me, SBG. eom. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 25
In Christ's love, we seek to endeavour to know the truth by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 25
In partnership with God in terms of "working out one's salvation" by Ivan, 2001, Oct 25
Wesleyan partnership is not the same as your idea of partnership, mind u eom by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 30
If you are part of Christ........ by Ivan, 2001, Oct 24
Correction; my posting on "on working out one's salvation" should read as "....working out your salvation." eom. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 24
You are still not getting it by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 25
I have already made myself clear re fruit and works.eom. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 25
Keep up the good work, Royston! by Christopher Yip, 2001, Oct 25
I have already made it clear in my postings.eom. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 25
Thanks Chris, but I pray that it is time for a rotation of guards, need Holy Spirit to strengthen me by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 25
God just gave me a revelation of Phil 2:12-18!!!!! by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 25
Royston, it's the statement about salvation and fruit that I highlighted. (eom) by Christopher Yip, 2001, Oct 26
To Christopher and Keith, by True Light, 2001, Oct 25
Which is the verse referred to? "fallen away" (eom) by Christopher Yip, 2001, Oct 26
Hi Chris, forget it lah! we have stopped this topic. EOM by True Light, 2001, Oct 27
once truly born again in the Spirit, cannot be un-born. once truly saved Christ, cannot be unsaved. by Keith, 2001, Oct 27
Hebrew 6:4-8 are a good verses to expound. EOM by True Light, 2001, Oct 27
Honestly, could we stop this... by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 27
how i read Hebrews 6:4-6 by Keith, 2001, Oct 27
On Hebrews 6:4-6 by Ivan, 2001, Oct 27
This is interesting...TL ...Ü ...have you changed your stand on Tree of Knowledge of good & evil? by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 27
ooops wrong person, sorry TL. thought Ivan's posting was yours. eom by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 27
To Royston by True Light, 2001, Oct 28
Thanks for your comments by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 28
I like your last sentence the most, because I agree with it by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 27
Not so fast! by Christopher Yip, 2001, Oct 25
I dont think we can exhaust all matters re fruit; we are looking at the central theme: Christlikeness and His works. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 25
One question.. by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 25
Do you know the answer? Are we going to have different views again? eom. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 25
Certainly I know the answer by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 25
His eternal security has clauses lah by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 25
A "true Christian" by True Light, 2001, Oct 25
The Corinthians again! by Christopher Yip, 2001, Oct 26
The question by True Light, 2001, Oct 26
keith's answer. and a few questions. by Keith, 2001, Oct 27
Strongly believe in second scenario. by True Light, 2001, Oct 27
no need to reject "once saved always saved" doctrine by Keith, 2001, Oct 27
Hi Keith, thanks for sharing so much, it warms my heart by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 27
All right, I will put it as I don't hold OSAS teaching by True Light, 2001, Oct 28
Hey True Light by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 27
we are always straying, but God still loves us by Keith, 2001, Oct 27
Do you want to be accountable for the blood of fallen believers if you keep on saying the unconditional love of God?eom. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 27
Do you want to be accountable for degrading God's capability and grace? by Eveline How, 2001, Oct 27
Do you want to defile the Grace of God by misrepresenting it? ......... by Ivan, 2001, Oct 27
The Apostle Paul answers you by Eveline How, 2001, Oct 29
Not so simple as you may "mis-think " by Ivan, 2001, Oct 29
No so-called Calvinist by Eveline How, 2001, Oct 29
I am not a historian; I dont subscribe to Man's theology; but I am Biblical by Ivan, 2001, Oct 30
Ahh... so now I'm supposed to be proud eh? by Eveline How, 2001, Oct 30
Yup Eveline, agree with you, pointless arguing with him. eom by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 31
Thanks for yr explanation.... by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 28
On James 4:4 by Ivan, 2001, Oct 28
On the issue of the prodigal son by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 28
On "all that I have is yours" by Ivan, 2001, Oct 28
What does the younger son represent, sinner or fallen saint?. EOM by True Light, 2001, Oct 29
It might be both groups, dear TL. :) by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 29
does knowing that God always love you make you want to sin against Him? by Keith, 2001, Oct 27
On John Calvin's works by Ivan, 2001, Oct 27
Thanks for the clarification by True Light, 2001, Oct 28
It all depends on our understanding of who Christ is in the first place by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 28
What is "In Christ" by True Light, 2001, Oct 23
The saints and the sinners by Ivan, 2001, Oct 21
You know TL... by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 23
Do we lose our salvation if we fail to bear fruit - suggested answers by Keith, 2001, Oct 20
Thanks Keith for your posting article by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 20
continue to be a blessing by Keith, 2001, Oct 22
In times like these, only the revelation of the Holy Spirit can clear such doubts by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 22
explanation... by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 22
Thanks for your explanation, but I was not asking a qn bcos i do not understand, i was expounding truths, by using qn. by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 22
2nd generation Christians or Sunday Christians by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 23
You really wish to know the answer about John Wesley's stand? by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 23
Reason why i ask by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 23
Saved by relation with Jesus, not by religion of God by Keith, 2001, Oct 23
Fully Agreed Keith. SBG, hope this clarifies your doubts unless you still wish to talk abt Wesley? eom by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 24
Just like to share a little on Wesley's preaching before and after Aldersgate by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 29
You're right about this... by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 29
So I pray ... by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 29
Thank you for your prayer... by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 29
Great to hear that the Holy Spirit has brought you enlightenment in the mysteries of the Word of God! by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 30
Oh maybe it is abt time for you to share what you have learnt to correct ppl like Ivan by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 30
RO, your message needs to be corrected! eom. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 30
I find it amusing... by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 30
It is a living faith! by Ivan, 2001, Oct 31
Honestly, it is already clear to me that you do not understand the difference by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 01
So, let the Holy Spirit open your eyes to see the wondrous things from His word. eom. by Ivan, 2001, Nov 01
Hi SBG by Ivan, 2001, Oct 30
Hi Ivan, by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 30
No need to listen to him by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 30
I think you have to re-think by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 30
He has already shared his view on Phil 2:12-13 SBG, and tt is why I disagree with his stand by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 30
My response by Ivan, 2001, Oct 30
Now let me ask you....what does enemies of the cross of Christ mean to you? duh by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 30
Seeing ourselves as God sees us will change our behaviour by Ivan, 2001, Oct 30
I beg your pardon??? What are u trying to say here??? Read yr reply carefully before you post, WILL YOU? eom by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 31
Hi SBG, what happen? I'm confused! Can you share what is this all about? Just concern. EOM by True Light, 2001, Nov 01
I think i know who you are...may God have mercy on yr insuniations!!! by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 31
Untitled by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 31
Sorry for the short note earlier by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 01
Sorry, please change "you" to "we" (correction).eom. by Ivan, 2001, Oct 31
Continue yr as usual namecallings then! Good bye!!! by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 31
Seeing the beauty of Christ in His saints by Ivan, 2001, Oct 22
Again Ivan has not yet understood what we mean about salvation through Christ by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 22
PROFESSING CHRISTIANS WILL MAKE FOR A "PAPER" CHURCH AND NOT A POWER CHURCH. eom by Ivan, 2001, Oct 22
What talk you? Using jargons like "paper" church and power church without even defining it eom by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 22
Thank all of you for the replies... by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 20
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