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A good question indeed. 
be acquainted with the teaching about righteousness (Keith)
The righteous acts of the saints (Ivan)
Untitled (Keith)
Can the saints be cut off from the vine? i'm trying to find some answers to some questions only. eom (saved-by-grace)
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Hi SBG, The part you probably have a problem with is John 15:2:"He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit" The English terminology of cuts off is probably displaying a bad light to the issue of cut off..... However, the Greek word for "cut off" in John 15:2 is AIRO. Meaning "take away", "take up" or "lift up". So a positive side to it, is "lift up", the issue of God's discipline, where He chastises us, to bear more fruit for Him. So in this light, the English translation might not be suitably explained, seemingly indicating that we will be cut off if we were not to bear fruit, while on the contrary, going back to the Greek root word, we are to be disciplined, in order to bear more fruit. Hence, looking from a global perspective, this is consistent to the entire Scripture where God disciplines those He loves and He rebukes those He cares for. Likewise, this agrees with what Keith has also shared with you. More details can be found if one was to read Bruce Wilkinson's Secrets of the Vine, though I am aware that some people here would probably start another salvo of attacks on this. But I have to speak the truth to what the Word teaches us, not in its English translations but to refer back to its original language instead, in order to explain to us what God wants to do in our lives as Christians. Once we are Christians, we will be subject to discipline and moulding by God to become more like Christ with each day passing. Hear what the Word has to teach us, through a teacher like Bruce Wilkinson. God's plan be revealed to us, royston |
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take away = remove, not discipline by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 20
Th problem lies with the Greek word AIRO by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 20
Revelation of John 15 by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 20
What is branch? by True Light, 2001, Oct 21
Please hold that thot by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 21
Hi TL, new insights to John 15. This time round from Watchman Nee by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 23
pruning vs disciplining by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 20
Concerning Bruce's explanation by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 21
The question: lift up or take away? by Ivan, 2001, Oct 21
Untitled by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 21
In-Depth Study by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 21 
You are right by True Light, 2001, Oct 21
Hey True Light by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 21
Yes, I think we share the same view by True Light, 2001, Oct 21
Hi SBG, by Interested , 2001, Oct 22
Well... by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 22
If you want to understand why I reject Trinity, you must read up more on Oneness. by True Light, 2001, Oct 23
Dear True Light by saved-by-grace, 2001, Oct 23
Hey True Light! - Very amusing, indeed. by Interested , 2001, Oct 23
I also got no problem. I think the one who got problem is you. EOM by True Light, 2001, Oct 23
May be, but Oneness Pentecostalism is not one of them and never will be. n/t by Interested , 2001, Oct 23
Arianism are called Christian Universalism in modern time by True Light, 2001, Oct 25
Hi True Light, don't know what you are talking about. by Interested , 2001, Oct 25
Anyway, if you are interested, check for yourself regarding Christian Universalism. EOM by True Light, 2001, Oct 25
Thanks, but am not interested. n/t by Interested , 2001, Oct 25 
We have debated before but no direct answer given by True Light, 2001, Oct 23
You don't understand because you never make an effort to read. by True Light, 2001, Oct 23
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