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Who is "those" 
We are NOT sinners (Keith)
SAINTS OR SINNERS? (Ivan)
We still sin but we are not call sinner (True Light)
SAINTS OR "AINTS" (Ivan)
just for your info... (Royston Ong)
Royston, please do not put words in my posting:" I say it is natural to be AWARE I am a sinner" eom. (Ivan)
In God's eyes, (Royston Ong)
Hey Royston, (Interested )
Thanks for your affirmation, Interested. (Royston Ong)
Hi Royston, (Interested )
On Modern Christianity (Royston Ong)
Modern Christianity? (True Light)
On Methodism's Sunday Christians... (Royston Ong)
Are we talking about sinner or Christian? (True Light)
We cannot really say they do nothing for only God knows their hearts, and that is more important (Royston Ong)
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Hi Royston,
First and most important thing I want to clarify is that I do not look down on those so called 2nd generation Christians. I totally agree with you that at the end of the day, it is God who knows our heart. This is a discussion in the perspective of a human being. I think there is a different understanding of the word "works". I define "works" as commandments of God eg. to be baptise, to preach the gospel, love God and neighbours etc. By doing the above shall I consider that person abiding in Christ. Example, to show our love, we can't simply tell our spouse Verbally. Our spouse will only see our love through our ACTION. Yes, we are justified by faith in God, but God can only see our faith through our action. YOU SAID : Instead, it should be, because your salvation is assured, what then would be your response? *** How about those who have accepted Christ before but have fallen away and thus not responding anymore? Are they still considered abiding in Christ? YOU SAID : However, only "those" who act wilfully against God's will, are thrown away and given a place with the unbelievers) *** Just to make sure I understand you, who is the "those" in the above statement? Saints or Sinners?. Since sinners don't even know God, I don't think they have any opportunity to act wilfully. YOU SAID : One thing I am clear, is that those who know God's will, but choose to violate it by going their own sinful way is clearly going to eternal damnation, as did Judas Iscariot, for he was privileged to see Christ perform miracles and even know that Christ was the Messiah, yet he acted and chose to do what was not of God's will, by betraying Christ and disengaging all ties with Christ. *** You have brought up the pivot point of our discussion; that is "those" who know God's will, but choose to violate it by going their own sinful way is clearly going to eternal damnation. The disagreement is how we view the "those" in your statement. I view them as saints while you see it as sinners. I don't think sinners will understand God's will. Only those(saints) who have accepted Christ and study the Word BEFORE will truly understand God's will. Jesus Loves True Light
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Yes, we are getting closer to understanding each other, probably like 3/5 there. Ü by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 23
We are closer now, 4/5 by True Light, 2001, Oct 23
On topic of discussion in future by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 25
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