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Some clarifications 
Getting into the "Secrets of the Vine" (Ivan)
Salvation & works
Thanks LBS, do you want to contribute and form your own conclusion,if any? eom. (Ivan)
Responding 
Faith + Works = Righteous (True Light)
Faith = Righteousness + Works (Keith)
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Hi Keith,
Oops! I think my formula did not clearly explained what I mean. I apologised for that. I believe that we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ(refer to my "The Gospel I preached" message), that is to say, we are accounted righteous by faith in Jesus Christ. But what is faith? TRUE/PERFECT faith will produced works. Allow me to try again. How about this Faith = Work = Righteous Faith in Christ produce works and thus accounted righteous. As for your formula, Faith = Righteous + Work, I think it does not support your belief either. If you take away the "work", you are left with partial/half faith which is what I am trying to say. Faith = Righteous + ( ) If you believe faith will produce work, then you should agree with me that Faith = Work. You see work, you see faith. Those who does not obey the commandments(Works) of God, can I say that they do not have faith(I mean TRUE/PERFECT faith)?. If it is not troublesome, I would like to hear your interpretation of James 2:20-24. With regards to Abraham, he was accounted righteous before Isaac was born. There are 2 reasons. 1) He was the chosen nation. 2) He has faith in God. He showed his faith by obeying the commandments of God. See Genesis 12:1-4. What happen if he did not obey God and instead stay in his country?. Does he still consider faithful?. I hope I have clarified my stand. Jesus Loves True Light
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Sorry! should be "counted" & not "accounted" righteous. EOM by True Light, 2001, Oct 31
so does ivan believe faith+works = righteousness or faith = works = righteousness? eom by Royston Ong, 2001, Oct 31
To fine tune the equation of TL..... by Ivan, 2001, Oct 31 
Hi TL by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 01
Formula not truly represent our belief by True Light, 2001, Nov 01
Yes, True Light, we are in agreement on this area........ by Ivan, 2001, Nov 01
Agree! EOM by True Light, 2001, Nov 01
I understand, but i need to clarify as you gave Keith another equation Faith = Works = Righteousness. Do you still hold by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 05
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