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Ivan, Truelight, Need your help to understand 

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Re: Getting into the "Secrets of the Vine" (Ivan)
Re: Salvation & works
Re: Thanks LBS, do you want to contribute and form your own conclusion,if any? eom. (Ivan)
Re: Responding
Re: Hi Truelight, Do me a favour first
Date: 2001, Oct 31
From: LBS

Hi Ivan, Truelight If I am wrong I really want to know why I am wrong. I need your help to understand why my understanding is wrong: Ivan wrote “It is very clearly established in Rom that we are justified (pronounced righteous) by faith in Christ and not by works of the Law.” Faith here refers to “faith in his blood” Rom 3:25 – simply believing that Christ died for you on the cross. I have “faith in his blood”, I believe Christ died for me on the cross, then Ivan, according to what you wrote, you would say that I am justified. Now, Rom 9: 30 says…”whom he justified, them he also glorified”…That is, everyone that is justified by faith will be glorified by God. Rom 11:6 … if it be of works, then is it no more grace: Salvation is by grace, works has no part to play in it; Rom 11:6 says once you bring in works, then it is no longer by grace. Seriously LBS P/S:: I know what you believe is based very much on verses like Mtt 24:13, Jas 2:20-24, Jn 15:2,8, etc etc. But your reference to these verses doesn’t help resolve the “dilemma” I have with the verses in Romans above. Rom 10:17 “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” Faith is based on hearing what God tells you – if God says XXX to you and you believe XXX, then that is faith. It is critical to determine from Scriptures what it is that God wants you to believe.

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Messages Inline: Outline:

1. Hi LBS, To answer you, I need to ask you a question....... by Ivan, 2001, Oct 31

2. Grace, Faith & Believe by True Light, 2001, Nov 01

3. Ivan, Truelight, Haven't got a satisfactory reply yet by LBS, 2001, Nov 01

1. On true Christian by Ivan, 2001, Nov 01

1. My concern: are we believing/preaching the right gospel by LBS, 2001, Nov 02

1. Hi LBS by Ivan, 2001, Nov 02

2. 2 questions by True Light, 2001, Nov 03

1. Reply by LBS, 2001, Nov 03

2. Don't think can help you. by True Light, 2001, Nov 01

1. Haven't changed topic, still on salvation&works by LBS, 2001, Nov 03

4. common ground: we are all saved in Christ by Keith, 2001, Nov 02

1. A matter of life and death by LBS, 2001, Nov 02

(_ I have to explain further because you believe in an empty faith. by True Light, 2001, Nov 03

(_ Faith is believing what God ask you to believe by LBS, 2001, Nov 03

1. Hi LBS by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 04

1. But we must be consistent by LBS, 2001, Nov 04

(_ The mysteries of Abide in me, AND I in you by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 05

1. To further add by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 05

1. Hence, nothing about works comes into play, but it follows the same train of thought as by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 05

(_ Fully agree with you on this. by Keith, 2001, Nov 05

1. Maths class by True Light, 2001, Nov 05

1. Actually, TL. I am afraid it is not at all close to a summation rule, as proposed by both Ivan and yourself eom by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 06

2. Hi TL by Keith, 2001, Nov 06

1. I like your explanation on the baby christian equation. by True Light, 2001, Nov 06

(_ On baby christians and balanced teachings by Keith, 2001, Nov 07

1. You are right! different approach. by True Light, 2001, Nov 07

1. True believer? by Keith, 2001, Nov 08

(_ Thanks. EOM by True Light, 2001, Nov 08

2. Yah yah, am certainly moving along the same wavelength as you are by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 08

2. Go ahead, if it helps to make things clearer for all. by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 05

2. Still see inconsistencies regarding Jn 15:1-8 by LBS, 2001, Nov 06

1. What kind of "once saved always saved" do you believe?. by True Light, 2001, Nov 07

1. Please see post "Recap" by LBS, 2001, Nov 09

2. TL and SBG are unable to see past it, does not mean they totally disagree by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 08

1. Confounded by LBS, 2001, Nov 09

1. Am a little tired as I reply this.... by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 10

1. Understand you are tired by LBS, 2001, Nov 11

2. Please re-read my earlier posting to you.... by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 10

2. I twist verses? by True Light, 2001, Nov 04

1. You didn't read me post properly by LBS, 2001, Nov 05

(_ Re-post by True Light, 2001, Nov 05

(_ I haven't changed my belief! by LBS, 2001, Nov 05

(_ Your answer not clear by True Light, 2001, Nov 05

(_ Please see post "Recap" by LBS, 2001, Nov 09

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