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My concern: are we believing/preaching the right gospel 
Getting into the "Secrets of the Vine" (Ivan)
Salvation & works
Thanks LBS, do you want to contribute and form your own conclusion,if any? eom. (Ivan)
Responding
Hi Truelight, Do me a favour first
Ivan, Truelight, Need your help to understand
Ivan, Truelight, Haven't got a satisfactory reply yet
On true Christian (Ivan)
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Hi Ivan, Ivan: “I am concerned that if we preach "once saved, always saved" we may breed such professing Christians who may bring shame to the name of Christ. Do you agree?” LBS: Good concern, Ivan; but that doesn’t allow anyone to change the gospel that God wants us to believe/preach; you can’t tell people that works play a part in their ultimate salvation. If you do that and if people end up trusting in more than just the blood of Christ for their salvation, the consequence is irreparable, people may not end up in heaven. God says in Gal 1:9 “ As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” So we can only preach one gospel for salvation. If you and I believe/preach two different gospels, then at least of one of us must be wrong. So hope you can appreciate I am not dwelling in trivial differences in this to-ing and fro-ing with you and Truelight. It is absolutely important that we must agree on what the gospel of our salvation is. If you quote me James, Jn and Matt, I will quote you Rom. Can you see we are in conflict? Your beliefs are based on James, Jn and Matt. But you have to struggle with Romans. If you want to know how to secure your salvation, I will tell you look at Romans; the first 5 chapters God tells us the gentiles sinned, then the Jews given the Mosaic Law sinned, all mankind sinned, so they need the blood of Christ, the work of God on the cross, and then it is finished, what can man do, believe, believe that the work has been done, the penalty of sin paid. This is salvation by grace through faith as presented in the first 5 chapters of Roman. After that? Rom 9:30 “.. them he justified, them he also glorified. Eph 1:13,14 “ In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance”. When does the Holy Spirit come into you? At the point of belief of the right gospel, the gospel of your salvation which Paul says there is only one. What does the Holy Spirit do? Seal you and guarantee your inheritance ofin the heavenly places in the ages to come. So according to these verses a person is forever saved at the point of belief. Therefore no role as far as works is concerned. So the right gospel cannot include this element of works for salvation in whatever way. Of course, you will ask me what about James, John and Matt, etc etc. |
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Hi LBS by Ivan, 2001, Nov 02
2 questions by True Light, 2001, Nov 03
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