Faith is believing what God ask you to believe

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Faith is believing what God ask you to believe

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Getting into the "Secrets of the Vine" (Ivan)
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Salvation & works
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Thanks LBS, do you want to contribute and form your own conclusion,if any? eom. (Ivan)
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Responding
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Hi Truelight, Do me a favour first
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Ivan, Truelight, Need your help to understand
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common ground: we are all saved in Christ (Keith)
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A matter of life and death
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I have to explain further because you believe in an empty faith. (True Light)
Date: 2001, Nov 03
From: LBS

Hi Truelight, Truelight: “The scriptures you quoted in Romans is talking about those who are predestinated to be saved.” LBS: Are you serious when you said the above, that Romans is talking about a certain group of people that are destined to be saved, which means does not apply to people like you or me? Looks like you are now recognising that the verses in Romans are saying things very different from what you understand from verses in Matt, Jn and James. Truelight: “Btw, I would like to hear how you interpret those scriptures we quoted.” LBS: I looked through the discussion between you/Ivan/SBG and I think you people are honest in your understanding of those verses in Matt, Jn and James – they very clearly say that faith alone is not enough. I don’t understand how anyone can honestly read those verses and don’t see that. Jn 15: 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Jn 15: 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. I totally disagree with the deceptive ways people go about trying to change the meaning of the above verses. They say “takes away” in Jn 15:2 means doesn’t mean “take away” as in being extracted from the main plant but something like lifting up branches from the mud. Whatever it is, these branches like what Jn15:6 says is going to end up in the fire and be burnt. Mtt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Isn’t it plain and simple and clear? Do we have to make this Scripture say something else? Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. Isn’t clear that Jas 2:14 ask “can faith save him?” Does this sound like talking about walk, apart from salvation? Jas 2:26 says “faith without works is dead”, so faith alone is not enough. You see I don’t try to twist and turn these verses. You must also do the same with the verses I brought up in Romans which teaches that ” a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law” (Rom 3:28), and deeds of the law in context means all types of works that God requires of man.