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The mysteries of Abide in me, AND I in you 
Getting into the "Secrets of the Vine" (Ivan)
Salvation & works
Thanks LBS, do you want to contribute and form your own conclusion,if any? eom. (Ivan)
Responding
Hi Truelight, Do me a favour first
Ivan, Truelight, Need your help to understand 
common ground: we are all saved in Christ (Keith)
A matter of life and death
I have to explain further because you believe in an empty faith. (True Light)
Faith is believing what God ask you to believe
Hi LBS (Royston Ong)
But we must be consistent
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I got stuck too LBS. Fortunately, God brought me Watchman Nee, who argued that the key is this understanding of ABIDE IN ME, and I IN YOU. Most of us Christians are on either plane of understanding. Some only Abide in Christ.....and stop there....hence, we do not bear abundant fruit. Some are having Christ in us..... again....unbalanced....we do not bear abundant fruit. Which is why, Christ said. Apart from Me, you shall bear no fruit. Hence, we have to cling onto Christ, AND Christ has to live in us. A bi-step approach. Or what Watchman Nee argues as Objective and Subjective stands, and Scripture is full of them. Hence, we can be in Christ, and not bear fruit, because we have not allowed Christ to be moulded in us (I in you). 10-cents worth of sharing. royston |
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To further add by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 05
Hence, nothing about works comes into play, but it follows the same train of thought as by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 05 
Fully agree with you on this. by Keith, 2001, Nov 05
Maths class by True Light, 2001, Nov 05
Actually, TL. I am afraid it is not at all close to a summation rule, as proposed by both Ivan and yourself eom by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 06
Hi TL by Keith, 2001, Nov 06
I like your explanation on the baby christian equation. by True Light, 2001, Nov 06
On baby christians and balanced teachings by Keith, 2001, Nov 07
You are right! different approach. by True Light, 2001, Nov 07
True believer? by Keith, 2001, Nov 08
Thanks. EOM by True Light, 2001, Nov 08
Yah yah, am certainly moving along the same wavelength as you are by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 08
Go ahead, if it helps to make things clearer for all. by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 05
Still see inconsistencies regarding Jn 15:1-8 by LBS, 2001, Nov 06
What kind of "once saved always saved" do you believe?. by True Light, 2001, Nov 07
Please see post "Recap" by LBS, 2001, Nov 09
TL and SBG are unable to see past it, does not mean they totally disagree by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 08
Confounded by LBS, 2001, Nov 09
Am a little tired as I reply this.... by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 10
Understand you are tired by LBS, 2001, Nov 11
Please re-read my earlier posting to you.... by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 10
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