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Getting into the "Secrets of the Vine" (Ivan)
Salvation & works
Thanks LBS, do you want to contribute and form your own conclusion,if any? eom. (Ivan)
Responding
Hi Truelight, Do me a favour first
Ivan, Truelight, Need your help to understand 
common ground: we are all saved in Christ (Keith)
A matter of life and death
I have to explain further because you believe in an empty faith. (True Light)
Faith is believing what God ask you to believe
Hi LBS (Royston Ong)
But we must be consistent
The mysteries of Abide in me, AND I in you (Royston Ong)
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Hence, to not bear fruit does not equate to not being in Christ. Hence, Jn 15:6, is for those who do not want to first: abide in Christ. That is why the use of "if ANYONE who does not abide in me" This is the choice of the unbelievers, that they have to choose to abide in Christ. And upon choosing to abide in Christ, it does not mean they will bear fruit immediately. They need to surrender themselves to the authority of Christ, hence Christ in them (or us)...then will we bear much fruit. God be with you, royston |
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Hence, nothing about works comes into play, but it follows the same train of thought as by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 05 
Fully agree with you on this. by Keith, 2001, Nov 05
Maths class by True Light, 2001, Nov 05
Actually, TL. I am afraid it is not at all close to a summation rule, as proposed by both Ivan and yourself eom by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 06
Hi TL by Keith, 2001, Nov 06
I like your explanation on the baby christian equation. by True Light, 2001, Nov 06
On baby christians and balanced teachings by Keith, 2001, Nov 07
You are right! different approach. by True Light, 2001, Nov 07
True believer? by Keith, 2001, Nov 08
Thanks. EOM by True Light, 2001, Nov 08
Yah yah, am certainly moving along the same wavelength as you are by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 08
Go ahead, if it helps to make things clearer for all. by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 05
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