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I like your explanation on the baby christian equation. 
Getting into the "Secrets of the Vine" (Ivan)
Salvation & works
Thanks LBS, do you want to contribute and form your own conclusion,if any? eom. (Ivan)
Responding
Hi Truelight, Do me a favour first
Ivan, Truelight, Need your help to understand 
common ground: we are all saved in Christ (Keith)
A matter of life and death
I have to explain further because you believe in an empty faith. (True Light)
Faith is believing what God ask you to believe
Hi LBS (Royston Ong)
But we must be consistent
The mysteries of Abide in me, AND I in you (Royston Ong)
To further add (Royston Ong)
Hence, nothing about works comes into play, but it follows the same train of thought as (Royston Ong)
Fully agree with you on this. (Keith)
Maths class (True Light)
Hi TL (Keith)
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Hi Keith,
YOU : It depends on how you read the equation. You seem to be saying that observable Righteousness and Works proves that Faith exists. *** Yes YOU : But I'm saying Faith WILL result in Righteous and Good Works. *** I agree In my view, the equation Faith = Righteouness + 0 can be a valid one (say, for baby Christians). *** I like that and I agree. How about those who chose to be babies?, Does your equation fits this kind of "christians". But I trust that God loves his children too much to want them to remain babies forever. *** The problem is many christians are lazy and they emphasize their worldly things more than Godly things. They chose to be babies, you see. YOU : I trust that a true Christian under the right teaching will grow, and as he matures in Faith, he will produce good works. and the equation "Faith = Righteousness + Works" becomes applicable and replaces the initial one "Faith = Righteouness + 0". *** I totally agree with you but what constitutes a true christian. ES said "if you are born again, dont want to serve God, shake your leg until jesus come, God will still love you and bless you"; Can we consider this kind a true christian?. YOU : Please understand that I am all for Christian working out their salvation. I just don't think that it is by emphasising on the necessity and importance of works that we can achieve that objective. I'm not saying that we should deny the importance of works. But I strongly believe that the focus should first and foremost be on who we are in Christ and what we have in Him. *** Our focus must always be on Christ but we must also constantly remind ourselves to be obedient. YOU : If I were a coach of a soccer team, I don't think I would keep emphasising to my strikers that they need to score goals (i think REAL strikers will feel offended if I keep doing so). I may remind them once in a while if they lose their zeal or discipline and just want to fool around during matches, but most of the time, I would rather remind them how gifted they are as goal scorers and ask them to enjoy the games. *** You see, some strikers are lazy and they take for granted. That's why sometimes we must constantly remind them that their roles is to score goals. They must listen to what his boss told them to do. Anyway, in reality, strikers are asked to score goals, and if they failed, out they go. They can't complain because they are bought with a price. I think there must be a balance. Either too much emphasis on works or grace will pose problems. Do we agree or disagree? Jesus Loves True Light
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On baby christians and balanced teachings by Keith, 2001, Nov 07
You are right! different approach. by True Light, 2001, Nov 07
True believer? by Keith, 2001, Nov 08
Thanks. EOM by True Light, 2001, Nov 08
Yah yah, am certainly moving along the same wavelength as you are by Royston Ong, 2001, Nov 08
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