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I twist verses? 
Getting into the "Secrets of the Vine" (Ivan)
Salvation & works
Thanks LBS, do you want to contribute and form your own conclusion,if any? eom. (Ivan)
Responding
Hi Truelight, Do me a favour first
Ivan, Truelight, Need your help to understand 
common ground: we are all saved in Christ (Keith)
A matter of life and death
I have to explain further because you believe in an empty faith. (True Light)
Faith is believing what God ask you to believe
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Hi LBS, LBS: Are you serious when you said the above, that Romans is talking about a certain group of people that are destined to be saved, which means does not apply to people like you or me? *** Paul is saying that there will be a remnant of Jews that are predestined to be saved. You would like to read Rom 11:1-7 again especially verse 1. LBS: I totally disagree with the deceptive ways people go about trying to change the meaning of the above verses. They say “takes away” in Jn 15:2 means doesn’t mean “take away” as in being extracted from the main plant but something like lifting up branches from the mud. Whatever it is, these branches like what Jn15:6 says is going to end up in the fire and be burnt. *** If "takes away" means "lift up", what is the meaning of "lift up" then and what is the different between "lift up" and "purge" in this verse?. Also, what does "end up in the fire and be burnt" means in your opinion?. LBS: Mtt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Isn’t it plain and simple and clear? Do we have to make this Scripture say something else? *** What about those who does not endure to the end, what happen to them? Are they saved & why?. Anyway, you have not interpret this verse. LBS: Isn’t clear that Jas 2:14 ask “can faith save him?” Does this sound like talking about walk, apart from salvation? Jas 2:26 says “faith without works is dead”, so faith alone is not enough. *** Please provide proper interpretation. I don't quite understand what you mean. You seems to agree that faith alone is not enough but need works. LBS: You see I don’t try to twist and turn these verses. You must also do the same with the verses I brought up in Romans which teaches that ” a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law” (Rom 3:28), and deeds of the law in context means all types of works that God requires of man. *** I would put it as different understanding of Roman 11:5 and not as what you said of twisting verses. Let's hear what others think of Roman 11:5?. Jesus Loves True Light |
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You didn't read me post properly by LBS, 2001, Nov 05
Re-post by True Light, 2001, Nov 05
I haven't changed my belief! by LBS, 2001, Nov 05
Your answer not clear by True Light, 2001, Nov 05
Please see post "Recap" by LBS, 2001, Nov 09
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