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Wrong, wrong, wrong!
Which church? (True Light)
Whichever church you "go to" (RTC)
So you are going to a man-setup church, independant church? eom (Emmanuel)
Where did you get that from? (RTC)
Thats where your problem lies ahead (Emmanuel)
What problem? (RTC)
The problem....... (Emmanuel)
Is that all? (RTC)
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Dear RTC, Is that all you believe about church? Is that your RCC heritage? Or did you leave out the role of the sacramental priesthood and the attending elements? I have this feeling that you have not defined your belief clear enough. On the surface it does sound "protestant" or NT enough, but deeper investigation may prove otherwise. ++We talk on basis one by one, as I said a church is made up of community of believers, of different positions held, read eph 4:16. You make it sound so innocent, as if people have no deep-set beliefs about church buildings. You are wrong. Haven't you already betrayed your understanding of church buildings by referring to the old covenant temple earlier? The truth is, church buildings are not so theologically void as many claim to be! ++The bible is a guide towards spiritualhood, not a guide to build whats in a church fundamentally. And why not? That's the way the early church met. Acts 2 says "And day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart..." ++ They met as the starting growth of a church without an official building or plaza to gather around and worship. Thus, the breaking of bread shown there synbolized brotherhood and integrity of hearty meal sharing with with sincerity of mind, not fundamentally and 100% of holding holy communion daily. What's a holy see? Is that in the Scriptures? Do you have a biblical basis for such a notion? And BTW, who were primarily tasked with teaching sound doctrines in the NT? A clue for you: it ain't the pope! ++Holy See in nature by itself, is termed after the NT, that he makes up part of the committee responsible for church leadership, take a look at the Jerusalem Council and how Peter acted in it. FYI, I reject the notion of a chief pastor. And secondly, your own charge backfires on you. How is that different from you having a pope? Or perhaps it's about jurisdiction? So if protestant churches have a chief super-pastor that is in charge of all protestant churches in the world (I don't know what title they would give that rivals the pope) you are OK with that? I guess not ++A Pope is not in fully control except the terms of ex cathedra, which is then before, agreed by the rest of the magisterium, the Vatican Council. That's a fact of being human isn't it? There are always things to disagree on this side of life. Even your RCC is not spared of that, and you had the "advantage" of the pope! ++I have cleared this a/m, the whole magisterium is responsible for the final call for doctrinal issues with prayers and guidiance of the Holy Spirit. Not just the Pope alone, thankyou. What are you driving (pardon the pun) at? ++I am driving a Startlet, why? I am not a head of the church, I am just a member, haha! What's a diocese like in the NT? ++A diocese is like a Bishop controlling the church, whereby faults and errors that are seen, can be corrected. Note Paul's letters and calling to his elders in everywhere on how to manage and correct the believers' faith.( The word diocese, is given after NT, don't presume that even every word or terms found in church usage today must be fitting exactly like those found in scripture, haha! That's a good observation. So tell me, how does a church comes into existence according to the NT? ++Church came into existence by the help of the Holy Spirit and God's appointed Holy Apostles and the church elders. Why do you poke fun at this? This was what the early church enjoyed and what many house churches enjoy today. Do you scorn at their freedom of expression or do you want them to be bound by the traditions that you are? ++ Since so-called "house church" is shown in NT by your perception, tell me more about them thru' out from AD 900 onwards and centuries to the 14th? Show me relatively the proofs? I don't need modern answers to it, just the real early churches after NT, between 3rd to 14th centuries. Show me a NT church meeting that has the semblance of a liturgy taking place. And I am not simply arguing, I am proclaiming to you God's Word on this subject ++God's words are not confined to writtings, I have told you before, its words handed orally down from the apostles thru' out the centuries, the Living church today is the living proof. Liturgy is another proof not made by Roman traditions, but passed down from the apostolic succession, in the form of orally passed down from ages to ages. Ahh, charity and evangelism, two of the most lauded goals to get rid of any disagreement or to whitewash any doctrinal differences. It's about the Word of God, once we get back to God's Word, you don't have to worry about charity and evangelism undone. ++You are wrong here. Faith, Hope and Charity are the key points. Our great commission passed down by Christ is to do charity and thru' it, evangelisation, including our hope in serving the Lord sincerely. That's true. So let's not deceive ourselves that being under a well organised church setup with a pope will accord any sense of security. ++Forget about your comments, our Catholic Church is doing well, and thus expanding by the guidiance of the Holy Spirit. We expect criticism and attacks, just as it was during the Arianism and Montanism times, till now on fundamental attacks, we stand unitedly in one faith that we perservere in holding on to our doctrines. In a well organised church, we are well taken care of in terms of any problems, not led by the confusing "truths" founded by many different denominations, leaders, or theologians. Today oneness debate is here, tomorrow Eternal security is there, and so on.....and yet all still belonged to the same Protestant sector, isn't it confusing, who to believe? Haha. If you don't like our Pope, so be it, nobody gonna stop you. Lolz. |
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