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On Dice and the Fixed Future - Part I
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Some talk has been in this forum about casting lots..etc...
So here I have some idea that I have been pondering for many months now. This is not limited to casting lots alone, but to all life situations. please read slowly. Take one simple situation in the future. Say tomorrow I will go to work. I can take a cab or the train or drive my own car. Now, these 3 seem possibilities for us. They are indeed some 3 choices we have to make tomorrow. But Since God knows the future, He knows which mode of transport I will take. It certainly cannot be 2 or more modes of transport at the same time. So He knows I Will take ;( say ); a cab to work, becasue He knows today my choice tomorrow. So I asked myself, If this is the case, I WILL NOT take anything else tomorrow except the cab. ( Please understand that tomorrow I may change my mind, but God knew it today ) This I WILL NOT take is not forced upon me, but based on MY choice. But I say 'I WILL NOT' because That is what WILL ACTUALLY happen. ( It can only be ONE that ACTUALLY happens ) So, what is my point ? The future is already FIXED! ( I know it sounds crazy ! ) i.e. let me try in another way: Since already God knows what I will do tomorrow, and His knowledge is perfect, it can be ONLY one way that it ACTUALLY happens. ( In reality, it can only be ONE string of Events that ACTUALLY happen !) I am NOT telling at this point that I have No free will. But, It only seems free to me, since God knows everything I will ever choose, Even though it is a'free choice' to me, by the sheer fact that He knew about it before, means only that it is Pre-defined. PS: I am not saying that God fixed it for me, but that He knows it. ( The second part will come later ) Now, I like to hear your comments. I am sure I will get shot down by some brainy guy/gal. I am open to correction. Just my thoughts. -John666
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God playing dice ? by Little Man of God, 2001, Nov 22
Hi J36 by Ivan, 2001, Nov 24
Answer by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 26
May I ask further by Ivan, 2001, Nov 26 
Both by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 26
So, God didnt fix our lives here though His knowledge is perfect; we fix our lives & choose the consequences, right?eom. by Ivan, 2001, Nov 26
No by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 27
So, God fix our lives; we still make choices as though we fix our lives and face the consequences, right? eom. by Ivan, 2001, Nov 27
How come like to view as linear relationship? by Eveline How, 2001, Nov 28
Life is linear? by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 28
Does God garantee that we will obey one day? by saved-by-grace, 2001, Nov 28
Obedience and the fixed future by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 28
Not easy to reconcile the Sovereignity of God and the responsibility of men. by saved-by-grace, 2001, Nov 28
Dice is loaded against ALL humanity.. by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 28
What is the will of God? by saved-by-grace, 2001, Nov 28
In Context please by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 28 
God's Divine attribute of Perfection in character is determined by English grammar. ; by saved-by-grace, 2001, Nov 28 
Hi J36 by Ivan, 2001, Nov 28
Longsuffering by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 30 
What I am saying by Ivan, 2001, Nov 30
My perspective by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 30
Question for JD by saved-by-grace, 2001, Nov 30
In Contrast by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 30
No, human beings do not have hold the key to their salvation. by saved-by-grace, 2001, Nov 30
Typo error : Title shd be "No, human beings do not have/hold the key to their salvation. by saved-by-grace, 2001, Dec 01
Your thinking needs renewal by Ivan, 2001, Nov 30
It is in Scripture - but we have the mind of Christ by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 30
On God's Election and man's choice by Ivan, 2001, Nov 30
You're agreeing with JD totally. Where's the reconciliation of men's responsibility to choose? eom by saved-by-grace, 2001, Dec 01
No, not at all by Ivan, 2001, Dec 01
To WHAT ? by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 03
Sounds confusing but it seems to be the same as JD's except for the fixing part. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 01
The reasons why you seem confused by Ivan, 2001, Dec 01
Hi Ivan, your answer is fantastic. Keep it up. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 02
Yah, Ivan doesn't seem to understand his New Bible Dictionary. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 01
Yeah, I am interested in your Bible Dictionary which may be more simplified for the simple-minded.eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 01
I don't have a Bible dictionary. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 01
Maybe you should invest in one that will help you understand better. eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 01
But your quotation from the said Dictionary fully supports JD's views and not yours. How do you understand? n/t by Interested , 2001, Dec 02
It seems to be so by Ivan, 2001, Dec 02
Not easy to reconcile the doctrine of Election (God's Sovereign's choice) and the Responsibility (Free Will) of men. by saved-by-grace, 2001, Dec 03 
you ARE agreeing with me.... by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 03
Because we do not have the complete, perfect picture, we do not want to fix our thinking by Ivan, 2001, Dec 03
Thanks Ivan...glad to know you comprehend what i'm warning about. eom by saved-by-grace, 2001, Dec 03
Binary thinking, to Ivan. by Interested , 2001, Dec 04
No double pre-destination by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 04
Hey Ivan, What on earth is linear thinking? The only linearity I know is y=a+bx. n/t by Interested , 2001, Dec 03
I think, it is different from lateral thinking. eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 03
Ah, so I thought. Sorry, am no fan of What's his name. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 03
No, certainly not linear by Interested , 2001, Nov 28 
YES, if we can simplify it. But if someone don't understand, then we better exaplin. eom. by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 28
Blessed Assurance by Ivan, 2001, Nov 28
Reply to the question from Joe. by Interested , 2001, Nov 26
Yes by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 26
Hi JohnDoe triple 6, by Interested , 2001, Nov 26
my point by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 27
Hi Joe^6 by Interested , 2001, Nov 27
engine by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 28
Yah, you're right and so .... by Interested , 2001, Nov 28
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