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Obedience and the fixed future
On Dice and the Fixed Future - Part I (John Doe 666)
Hi J36 (Ivan)
Answer (John Doe 666)
May I ask further (Ivan)
Both (John Doe 666)
So, God didnt fix our lives here though His knowledge is perfect; we fix our lives & choose the consequences, right?eom. (Ivan)
No (John Doe 666)
So, God fix our lives; we still make choices as though we fix our lives and face the consequences, right? eom. (Ivan)
How come like to view as linear relationship? (Eveline How)
Life is linear? (John Doe 666)
Does God garantee that we will obey one day? (saved-by-grace)
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Not sure what your question really menas.
I think you are asking if God will make sure we will OBEY Him one day as an unbeliever ? ( i.e. to accept Christ ) and become a believer...
I say YES.
We may keep on saying NO to God for many times, but If the person is indeed an elect person of God, YES that person will some day Accept Christ, BUT, It is not a forced decision. The reason he/she accepts Christ is because God first gave he/she faith to believe and faith to have repentance. If God does not quicken the Spirit, We cannot believe Him. We will not WANT to accept Christ as an unbeliever. ( We are born as natural enemies of God -forgot the scriture verse ) Now, before you jume to conclusions and think we have no free will, let me explain. Any unbeliever BY NATURE ( fallen ) does NOT WANT to believe Jesus. That is thier nature. It is not that they are not looking. They are not CAPABLE. God has to remove that blindness and tha natural enimity first. ( That is why salvation belongs to God ). Once God has doen this, then he/she is CAPABLE to accept God and Jesus as the Son of God. So, Once God has removed this blindness through the application of the grace through the Holy Spirit to the unbeliever, When he hears the Gosple, EVENTUALLY he/she will believe. ( We may resist the Holy Spirit upto a point, but a true elect WILL NOT to do that continually ). So, we indeed respond to God once we see Him and His grace clearly. Out of brokeness and sin-awareness, we will humbly come to Him with conviction ( given by the Holy Spirit ) and accept Christ. This is our response. We have a WILL and we WILL indeed respond this way, because Jesus said 'My Sheep will hear my voice'. -JD36
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Not easy to reconcile the Sovereignity of God and the responsibility of men. by saved-by-grace, 2001, Nov 28
Dice is loaded against ALL humanity.. by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 28
What is the will of God? by saved-by-grace, 2001, Nov 28
In Context please by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 28 
God's Divine attribute of Perfection in character is determined by English grammar. ; by saved-by-grace, 2001, Nov 28 
Hi J36 by Ivan, 2001, Nov 28
Longsuffering by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 30 
What I am saying by Ivan, 2001, Nov 30
My perspective by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 30
Question for JD by saved-by-grace, 2001, Nov 30
In Contrast by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 30
No, human beings do not have hold the key to their salvation. by saved-by-grace, 2001, Nov 30
Typo error : Title shd be "No, human beings do not have/hold the key to their salvation. by saved-by-grace, 2001, Dec 01
Your thinking needs renewal by Ivan, 2001, Nov 30
It is in Scripture - but we have the mind of Christ by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 30
On God's Election and man's choice by Ivan, 2001, Nov 30
You're agreeing with JD totally. Where's the reconciliation of men's responsibility to choose? eom by saved-by-grace, 2001, Dec 01
No, not at all by Ivan, 2001, Dec 01
To WHAT ? by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 03
Sounds confusing but it seems to be the same as JD's except for the fixing part. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 01
The reasons why you seem confused by Ivan, 2001, Dec 01
Hi Ivan, your answer is fantastic. Keep it up. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 02
Yah, Ivan doesn't seem to understand his New Bible Dictionary. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 01
Yeah, I am interested in your Bible Dictionary which may be more simplified for the simple-minded.eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 01
I don't have a Bible dictionary. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 01
Maybe you should invest in one that will help you understand better. eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 01
But your quotation from the said Dictionary fully supports JD's views and not yours. How do you understand? n/t by Interested , 2001, Dec 02
It seems to be so by Ivan, 2001, Dec 02
Not easy to reconcile the doctrine of Election (God's Sovereign's choice) and the Responsibility (Free Will) of men. by saved-by-grace, 2001, Dec 03 
you ARE agreeing with me.... by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 03
Because we do not have the complete, perfect picture, we do not want to fix our thinking by Ivan, 2001, Dec 03
Thanks Ivan...glad to know you comprehend what i'm warning about. eom by saved-by-grace, 2001, Dec 03
Binary thinking, to Ivan. by Interested , 2001, Dec 04
No double pre-destination by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 04
Hey Ivan, What on earth is linear thinking? The only linearity I know is y=a+bx. n/t by Interested , 2001, Dec 03
I think, it is different from lateral thinking. eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 03
Ah, so I thought. Sorry, am no fan of What's his name. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 03
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