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On Dice and the Fixed Future - Part I (John Doe 666)
Hi J36 (Ivan)
Answer (John Doe 666)
May I ask further (Ivan)
Both (John Doe 666)
So, God didnt fix our lives here though His knowledge is perfect; we fix our lives & choose the consequences, right?eom. (Ivan)
No (John Doe 666)
So, God fix our lives; we still make choices as though we fix our lives and face the consequences, right? eom. (Ivan)
How come like to view as linear relationship? (Eveline How)
Life is linear? (John Doe 666)
Does God garantee that we will obey one day? (saved-by-grace)
Obedience and the fixed future (John Doe 666)
Not easy to reconcile the Sovereignity of God and the responsibility of men. (saved-by-grace)
Dice is loaded against ALL humanity.. (John Doe 666)
Hi J36 (Ivan)
Longsuffering (John Doe 666)
What I am saying (Ivan)
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I believe they are given opportunities time and again to embrace God's mercy but they choose to experience His wrath. The Bible says they are without excuse and they have no cause to blame God. But you have insinuated in your posting that God fixed who is to be destroyed which I cannot agree. I can agree that He has perfect knowledge of our decisions and we make our own decisions whether to be saved or to be destroyed. JD36: Rom. 9:22- 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, ? Re-read the scripture bro. The vessels of wrath are FITTED for destruction. It was also done to make His power known. Also, the vessles of mercy are beforehand prepared for glory.? Other versions: KJV: 22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? 23 And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, Can you escape the language here ? NIV: 22 What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath--prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory-- Can you see that they are prepared for destruction? AND the reason He did this is found in v23: (What if He did this to...) and the reason is make the riches of His glory known to the objects of mercy! As for me, the scrpture is very clear. There would be no need for Mercy and the richness of mercy if all were to be saved. The need for mercy comes only because of a need for mercy. Why would I need mercy if I had the power of choice to decide and hold on to my salvation ? Salvation belongs to God and God alone.
It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. ( Rom 9:16) -JD36
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Question for JD by saved-by-grace, 2001, Nov 30
In Contrast by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 30
No, human beings do not have hold the key to their salvation. by saved-by-grace, 2001, Nov 30
Typo error : Title shd be "No, human beings do not have/hold the key to their salvation. by saved-by-grace, 2001, Dec 01
Your thinking needs renewal by Ivan, 2001, Nov 30
It is in Scripture - but we have the mind of Christ by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 30
On God's Election and man's choice by Ivan, 2001, Nov 30
You're agreeing with JD totally. Where's the reconciliation of men's responsibility to choose? eom by saved-by-grace, 2001, Dec 01
No, not at all by Ivan, 2001, Dec 01
To WHAT ? by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 03
Sounds confusing but it seems to be the same as JD's except for the fixing part. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 01
The reasons why you seem confused by Ivan, 2001, Dec 01
Hi Ivan, your answer is fantastic. Keep it up. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 02
Yah, Ivan doesn't seem to understand his New Bible Dictionary. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 01
Yeah, I am interested in your Bible Dictionary which may be more simplified for the simple-minded.eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 01
I don't have a Bible dictionary. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 01
Maybe you should invest in one that will help you understand better. eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 01
But your quotation from the said Dictionary fully supports JD's views and not yours. How do you understand? n/t by Interested , 2001, Dec 02
It seems to be so by Ivan, 2001, Dec 02
Not easy to reconcile the doctrine of Election (God's Sovereign's choice) and the Responsibility (Free Will) of men. by saved-by-grace, 2001, Dec 03 
you ARE agreeing with me.... by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 03
Because we do not have the complete, perfect picture, we do not want to fix our thinking by Ivan, 2001, Dec 03
Thanks Ivan...glad to know you comprehend what i'm warning about. eom by saved-by-grace, 2001, Dec 03
Binary thinking, to Ivan. by Interested , 2001, Dec 04
No double pre-destination by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 04
Hey Ivan, What on earth is linear thinking? The only linearity I know is y=a+bx. n/t by Interested , 2001, Dec 03
I think, it is different from lateral thinking. eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 03
Ah, so I thought. Sorry, am no fan of What's his name. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 03
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