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On Dice and the Fixed Future - Part I (John Doe 666)
Hi J36 (Ivan)
Answer (John Doe 666)
May I ask further (Ivan)
Both (John Doe 666)
So, God didnt fix our lives here though His knowledge is perfect; we fix our lives & choose the consequences, right?eom. (Ivan)
No (John Doe 666)
So, God fix our lives; we still make choices as though we fix our lives and face the consequences, right? eom. (Ivan)
How come like to view as linear relationship? (Eveline How)
Life is linear? (John Doe 666)
Does God garantee that we will obey one day? (saved-by-grace)
Obedience and the fixed future (John Doe 666)
Not easy to reconcile the Sovereignity of God and the responsibility of men. (saved-by-grace)
Dice is loaded against ALL humanity.. (John Doe 666)
Hi J36 (Ivan)
Longsuffering (John Doe 666)
What I am saying (Ivan)
My perspective (John Doe 666)
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You tend to harp on the fact that Salvation depends entirely on God. The verse you quoted in Rom 9:16 speaks of salvation being God's idea and not man; it also speaks of man's self-effort or self-righteousness practised by other religions cannot save us. It does not mean that man has no choice in receiving God's plan of salvation which is God's idea or will. Therefore the salvation plan is not man's will or idea. Your understanding or thinking needs to be renewed here.
Since it is God's idea, humanity has to come on God's terms to receive His salvation ie, to receive Jesus as Lord and Saviour. No other means and no other name. It speaks of God's mercy. Let me ask you who is fit to be saved. The answer is NONE! for the Bible says "there is none righteous, no not one". ALL are fitted for destruction. So, the next question: Who make us fit to be saved? The answer is, you guess it, JESUS! So, our salvation is dependent on God's mercy. It is God's desire that none should perish, but that all should come to repentance. What this verse is saying is not all are saved which is implied here (all SHOULD come to repentance); there are some who wilfully reject and not willing to come to repentance and receive Jesus as Lord and Saviour. Let them know that God is merciful by sending His only Beloved Son Jesus to die on the cross for the sins of humanity in order to save them from destruction. So, plead with them to make a right and wise choice for Jesus today! Man needs to hear the Gospel of Jesus to know how they can be saved from their sins. I maintain that God did not fix who to be saved and who to be destroyed for the very fact that man is created with a moral choice of rejecting Jesus or else there is no demonstration of our true belief in Jesus. Remember the Adam and Eve episode in the Garden of Eden. May the Lord keep us from error,
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It is in Scripture - but we have the mind of Christ by John Doe 666, 2001, Nov 30
On God's Election and man's choice by Ivan, 2001, Nov 30
You're agreeing with JD totally. Where's the reconciliation of men's responsibility to choose? eom by saved-by-grace, 2001, Dec 01
No, not at all by Ivan, 2001, Dec 01
To WHAT ? by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 03
Sounds confusing but it seems to be the same as JD's except for the fixing part. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 01
The reasons why you seem confused by Ivan, 2001, Dec 01
Hi Ivan, your answer is fantastic. Keep it up. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 02
Yah, Ivan doesn't seem to understand his New Bible Dictionary. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 01
Yeah, I am interested in your Bible Dictionary which may be more simplified for the simple-minded.eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 01
I don't have a Bible dictionary. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 01
Maybe you should invest in one that will help you understand better. eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 01
But your quotation from the said Dictionary fully supports JD's views and not yours. How do you understand? n/t by Interested , 2001, Dec 02
It seems to be so by Ivan, 2001, Dec 02
Not easy to reconcile the doctrine of Election (God's Sovereign's choice) and the Responsibility (Free Will) of men. by saved-by-grace, 2001, Dec 03 
you ARE agreeing with me.... by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 03
Because we do not have the complete, perfect picture, we do not want to fix our thinking by Ivan, 2001, Dec 03
Thanks Ivan...glad to know you comprehend what i'm warning about. eom by saved-by-grace, 2001, Dec 03
Binary thinking, to Ivan. by Interested , 2001, Dec 04
No double pre-destination by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 04
Hey Ivan, What on earth is linear thinking? The only linearity I know is y=a+bx. n/t by Interested , 2001, Dec 03
I think, it is different from lateral thinking. eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 03
Ah, so I thought. Sorry, am no fan of What's his name. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 03
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