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On Dice and the Fixed Future - Part I (John Doe 666)
Hi J36 (Ivan)
Answer (John Doe 666)
May I ask further (Ivan)
Both (John Doe 666)
So, God didnt fix our lives here though His knowledge is perfect; we fix our lives & choose the consequences, right?eom. (Ivan)
No (John Doe 666)
So, God fix our lives; we still make choices as though we fix our lives and face the consequences, right? eom. (Ivan)
How come like to view as linear relationship? (Eveline How)
Life is linear? (John Doe 666)
Does God garantee that we will obey one day? (saved-by-grace)
Obedience and the fixed future (John Doe 666)
Not easy to reconcile the Sovereignity of God and the responsibility of men. (saved-by-grace)
Dice is loaded against ALL humanity.. (John Doe 666)
Hi J36 (Ivan)
Longsuffering (John Doe 666)
What I am saying (Ivan)
My perspective (John Doe 666)
Your thinking needs renewal (Ivan)
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You:
I maintain that God did not fix who to be saved and who to be destroyed for the very fact that man is created with a moral choice of rejecting Jesus or else there is no demonstration of our true belief in Jesus. Remember the Adam and Eve episode in the Garden of Eden. JD36: So I take it that you will not take that there is anything called election in Scripture? ( reading your first verse ) Election means that God elected some to be saved. So I guess you do not agree to that. So, never mind, we can leave it here, since it is no life and death situation. But I am convinced that Election is taught in scripture even going by the sheer number of verses. If you have the time, please do some rading on the subject. It is even thought in SBC. -Shalom. -JD36
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On God's Election and man's choice by Ivan, 2001, Nov 30
You're agreeing with JD totally. Where's the reconciliation of men's responsibility to choose? eom by saved-by-grace, 2001, Dec 01
No, not at all by Ivan, 2001, Dec 01
To WHAT ? by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 03
Sounds confusing but it seems to be the same as JD's except for the fixing part. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 01
The reasons why you seem confused by Ivan, 2001, Dec 01
Hi Ivan, your answer is fantastic. Keep it up. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 02
Yah, Ivan doesn't seem to understand his New Bible Dictionary. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 01
Yeah, I am interested in your Bible Dictionary which may be more simplified for the simple-minded.eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 01
I don't have a Bible dictionary. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 01
Maybe you should invest in one that will help you understand better. eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 01
But your quotation from the said Dictionary fully supports JD's views and not yours. How do you understand? n/t by Interested , 2001, Dec 02
It seems to be so by Ivan, 2001, Dec 02
Not easy to reconcile the doctrine of Election (God's Sovereign's choice) and the Responsibility (Free Will) of men. by saved-by-grace, 2001, Dec 03 
you ARE agreeing with me.... by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 03
Because we do not have the complete, perfect picture, we do not want to fix our thinking by Ivan, 2001, Dec 03
Thanks Ivan...glad to know you comprehend what i'm warning about. eom by saved-by-grace, 2001, Dec 03
Binary thinking, to Ivan. by Interested , 2001, Dec 04
No double pre-destination by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 04
Hey Ivan, What on earth is linear thinking? The only linearity I know is y=a+bx. n/t by Interested , 2001, Dec 03
I think, it is different from lateral thinking. eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 03
Ah, so I thought. Sorry, am no fan of What's his name. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 03
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