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On Dice and the Fixed Future - Part I (John Doe 666)
Hi J36 (Ivan)
Answer (John Doe 666)
May I ask further (Ivan)
Both (John Doe 666)
So, God didnt fix our lives here though His knowledge is perfect; we fix our lives & choose the consequences, right?eom. (Ivan)
No (John Doe 666)
So, God fix our lives; we still make choices as though we fix our lives and face the consequences, right? eom. (Ivan)
How come like to view as linear relationship? (Eveline How)
Life is linear? (John Doe 666)
Does God garantee that we will obey one day? (saved-by-grace)
Obedience and the fixed future (John Doe 666)
Not easy to reconcile the Sovereignity of God and the responsibility of men. (saved-by-grace)
Dice is loaded against ALL humanity.. (John Doe 666)
Hi J36 (Ivan)
Longsuffering (John Doe 666)
What I am saying (Ivan)
My perspective (John Doe 666)
Your thinking needs renewal (Ivan)
It is in Scripture - but we have the mind of Christ (John Doe 666)
On God's Election and man's choice (Ivan)
You're agreeing with JD totally. Where's the reconciliation of men's responsibility to choose? eom (saved-by-grace)
No, not at all (Ivan)
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YOU:
JD's position is: man has no choice; God fix some man to be saved and others to be destroyed. My position is: Salvation is God's idea and will, and not through man's effort and aspiration to achieve, which cannot save him. Man has to choose to be saved in and through Christ or to be destroyed. Whenever man chooses to be saved in and through Christ by the work of the Holy Spirit, we can attribute this to God's election and there is nothing that man can boast. So, if a brother or sister says, "Hey, I found God!" You can gently remarked: "Hey, it's God who found you!" If he rejects Jesus, the Bible says he is already condemned because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God (Jn 3:17,18). Jesus DID NOT CONDEMN him, but HE IS BRINGING HIMSELF under condemnation or under God's wrath by not believing in Jesus. JD: Few questions: 1. If God did not fix the persons salvation, what is the person ELECTED for ? 2. You say: "Whenever man chooses to be saved in and through Christ by the work of the Holy Spirit, we can attribute this to God's election and there is nothing that man can boast" How can you attribute this to God's election since you maintain that it is the person who chose? You seem to contradict ( from my perspective ). Because you seem to say that Once the person believes we can attribute it to God's election....But then it doesn't make sense, because God's election has no meaning any more.! Snce you agree that election is in scripture, my simple question is , "To WHAT is that person ELECTED" ??? -JD
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