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On Dice and the Fixed Future - Part I (John Doe 666)
Hi J36 (Ivan)
Answer (John Doe 666)
May I ask further (Ivan)
Both (John Doe 666)
So, God didnt fix our lives here though His knowledge is perfect; we fix our lives & choose the consequences, right?eom. (Ivan)
No (John Doe 666)
So, God fix our lives; we still make choices as though we fix our lives and face the consequences, right? eom. (Ivan)
How come like to view as linear relationship? (Eveline How)
Life is linear? (John Doe 666)
Does God garantee that we will obey one day? (saved-by-grace)
Obedience and the fixed future (John Doe 666)
Not easy to reconcile the Sovereignity of God and the responsibility of men. (saved-by-grace)
Dice is loaded against ALL humanity.. (John Doe 666)
Hi J36 (Ivan)
Longsuffering (John Doe 666)
What I am saying (Ivan)
My perspective (John Doe 666)
Your thinking needs renewal (Ivan)
It is in Scripture - but we have the mind of Christ (John Doe 666)
On God's Election and man's choice (Ivan)
Yah, Ivan doesn't seem to understand his New Bible Dictionary. n/t. (Interested )
Yeah, I am interested in your Bible Dictionary which may be more simplified for the simple-minded.eom. (Ivan)
I don't have a Bible dictionary. n/t. (Interested )
Maybe you should invest in one that will help you understand better. eom. (Ivan)
But your quotation from the said Dictionary fully supports JD's views and not yours. How do you understand? n/t (Interested )
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but if you try to understand the "Election" concept from the said Dictionary in a linear manner like what JD did, you may remain confuse. I have already clearly stated that "Election" is a sovereign choice for eg when it applies to salvation, the way to receive salvation is fixed - Election is in and through Jesus only - but God did not fix some to be saved and others to be destroyed. Because the Bible says very clearly that Jesus did not come to condemn but to save. Furthermore in 2 Pet 3:9, Apostle Peter says "it is His desire that none should perish but that all should come to repentance." It is man's responsibility to choose to be saved or to come under the wrath of God though God knows who will be saved and who will be destroyed because He is all-knowing.
So, the linear thinking will be this: If you think that God fixes the plan of salvation, therefore He fixes some to be saved and others to be destroyed. Man has no real choice because everything is fixed by God. And worst of all, that God desires some to be destroyed. This thinking is erroneous. To fully understand the subject on "Election" perfectly, let's pick up from the other side as SBG suggested in her posting.
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Not easy to reconcile the doctrine of Election (God's Sovereign's choice) and the Responsibility (Free Will) of men. by saved-by-grace, 2001, Dec 03
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