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On Dice and the Fixed Future - Part I (John Doe 666)
Hi J36 (Ivan)
Answer (John Doe 666)
May I ask further (Ivan)
Both (John Doe 666)
So, God didnt fix our lives here though His knowledge is perfect; we fix our lives & choose the consequences, right?eom. (Ivan)
No (John Doe 666)
So, God fix our lives; we still make choices as though we fix our lives and face the consequences, right? eom. (Ivan)
How come like to view as linear relationship? (Eveline How)
Life is linear? (John Doe 666)
Does God garantee that we will obey one day? (saved-by-grace)
Obedience and the fixed future (John Doe 666)
Not easy to reconcile the Sovereignity of God and the responsibility of men. (saved-by-grace)
Dice is loaded against ALL humanity.. (John Doe 666)
Hi J36 (Ivan)
Longsuffering (John Doe 666)
What I am saying (Ivan)
My perspective (John Doe 666)
Your thinking needs renewal (Ivan)
It is in Scripture - but we have the mind of Christ (John Doe 666)
On God's Election and man's choice (Ivan)
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Ivan,
In your quotation:
God in sovereign freedom treats some sinners as they deserve, hardening (Rom 9:18; Rom 11:7-10) and destroying them (Rom 8:21,22); but He selects others to be "vessels of mercy", receiving "the riches of His glory" (Rom 9:23). Can you explain what is meant to be 'hardening' ? If you see clearly, you ARE indeed agreeing with me. What you wrote above is what I am saying. God selects some to be 'vessels of mercy' and some He passes by. That is Election. The reason some Indeed RESPOND, is Because we are SELECTED BY GOD to be vessles of mercy FIRST. ! ( Yes we MUST respond to be saved ; and THAT response is what we call FREE CHOICE/FREE WILL - to which I am saying, No it is not free choice from GOD's perspective, because HE ELECTED us to even RESPOND ) But from OUR perspective, IT seems A FREE CHOICE ! ( Our limited knowldge, capacity..etc ) -JD
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Because we do not have the complete, perfect picture, we do not want to fix our thinking by Ivan, 2001, Dec 03
Thanks Ivan...glad to know you comprehend what i'm warning about. eom by saved-by-grace, 2001, Dec 03
Binary thinking, to Ivan. by Interested , 2001, Dec 04
No double pre-destination by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 04
Hey Ivan, What on earth is linear thinking? The only linearity I know is y=a+bx. n/t by Interested , 2001, Dec 03
I think, it is different from lateral thinking. eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 03
Ah, so I thought. Sorry, am no fan of What's his name. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 03
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