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No double pre-destination 
On Dice and the Fixed Future - Part I (John Doe 666)
Hi J36 (Ivan)
Answer (John Doe 666)
May I ask further (Ivan)
Both (John Doe 666)
So, God didnt fix our lives here though His knowledge is perfect; we fix our lives & choose the consequences, right?eom. (Ivan)
No (John Doe 666)
So, God fix our lives; we still make choices as though we fix our lives and face the consequences, right? eom. (Ivan)
How come like to view as linear relationship? (Eveline How)
Life is linear? (John Doe 666)
Does God garantee that we will obey one day? (saved-by-grace)
Obedience and the fixed future (John Doe 666)
Not easy to reconcile the Sovereignity of God and the responsibility of men. (saved-by-grace)
Dice is loaded against ALL humanity.. (John Doe 666)
Hi J36 (Ivan)
Longsuffering (John Doe 666)
What I am saying (Ivan)
My perspective (John Doe 666)
Your thinking needs renewal (Ivan)
It is in Scripture - but we have the mind of Christ (John Doe 666)
On God's Election and man's choice (Ivan)
you ARE agreeing with me.... (John Doe 666)
Because we do not have the complete, perfect picture, we do not want to fix our thinking (Ivan)
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I think we should let this topic rest now.
Basucally we agree, except that you do not want to say that God pre-destined some to hell. ( Double pre-destination) I will say that God CHose some to be saved ( elect ) by His free will, and others He did nothing about. ( They are still in their Sin of Adam ). That is all I understand at this point from scripture. But glad to know that atleast you accept that Election is in the Bible. Some even go to say that it is the doctrine of the devil. -JD.
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