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Could someone shed some light on... (simpleman)
It is all in the mind. (Interested )
Wrong! (prophet)
If you are scared of something then you should do something about it. Fear is a bondage. n/t. (Interested )
Truth (prophet)
Sorry, don't agree with you. (Interested )
A word of caution -Fro Interrested (John Doe 666)
Fear of the Devil (from the Net). (Interested )
maybe word use is NOT FEAR EVIL BUT TO SHUN & AVOID EVIL (Little Man of God)
Well, the Lord by His Spirit is speaking to us to have no fellowship with the demons promoted thru' whatever form.eom. (Ivan)
Most amusing thread (Eveline How)
Thread 648-3 (Joe)
"H Potter" is fit for the potty, no matter how many accolades and box office records set (Ivan)
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On the contrary..... (John Doe 666)
Please (Eveline How)
Casting down every imagination (Ivan)
So (Eveline How)
It's all about choices, knowing the difference and doing what's right (Ivan)
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I'm so busy but this topic tickles me so much. But I'm getting bored with it and it looks like Ivan is also trying to extricate himself. Anyway, since I'm pretty bored in general (holiday mood) I might as well get involved in a less boring pursuit.
Let's start with the definition of "hardcore" as provided by Ivan: "Anything hardcore is addictive and destructive. " Now, if you don't mind, this definition is as clear as mud. There are at least 2 problems to this extremely vague definition: 1) What is "destructive" and what is "addictive"? If I am so engrossed in a book so much so that I forgot to eat and fall sick due to malnutrition, does it mean the book is "destructive" and "addictive"? Or let's say I am reading this recipie book and got into a quarrel with my mother because of differing cooking methods, does that mean the book is "destructive" to my family relationships? Is there an objective definition, for example, "Addictive: causes reader to miss meals for three consecutive days and not bathe for a week"? 2) For argument's sake, let's assume the definition of "destructive" and "addictive" is acceptable. Now what's "destructive" to one person may not "destructive" to another. A book which is benign to one can cause someone else to be "addicted." Harry Potter is one example. I'm not addicted to Harry Potter, but someone else says it's "addictive and destructive." So who says what is destructive and addictive? Assuming the response to the above question (and I do not think it's far-fetched) is "a book which is 'addictive and destructive' to one is 'addictive and destructive' to all," well then my friend we better start a movement soon to collate a list of all books which has caused at least one person to be "addicted and destroyed," considering the volume of books introducted to the world every day. And you might be surprised by what books could be included in this list. Next, allow me to bring the attention of those who are still not bored of this thread to the following: "You have to separate what is objectionable which is relative from what is hardcore like pornography books and witchcraft books." Interesting! Now there appears to be some attempt to mitigate between the "good" and the "really evil", creating a new category called "objectionable" (but not "hardcore" enough for it to be totally, well, "hardcore.") So, one can read "objectionable" books even if got a liddle bit of problematic parts. But doesn't a little yeast leaven the whole dough or something like that, "we must have no fellowship with demons." ("Non-negotiable" what.) So, even "objectionable" also cannot lah! What were you thinking!? Trying to eat your words or what? Next, let's turn to our national education system, where "obscenities and vulgarities" are not supposedly "not allowed." Ivan my dear friend, I'm afraid I have to burst your bubble. As one who has gone through English Literature at O and A Levels, I have to say you are being too naive. I can give you an example of an A Level text which not only contains sordid descriptions of the sexual act, but also creative descriptions of the sexual organs, seduction, murder, and a character with the name "deflowerer". Doesn't this fall under your definition of "hardcore"? Even in the works of the venerable Mr Shakespeare (commonly the compulsory English module for A Levels in JCs here), horrific elements such as murder, sex, curses, blasphemy and spells are abound. (Oh, don't you know there're some pretty neat witch incantations in "Macbeth"?) Obviously the Ministry of Education does not find such books "objectionable." What say you? Are you prepared to throw your weight behind MOE since you seem to value (or should I say hide behind) its opinion so much. Those who depend on mission schools to filter out "undesirables" from our secular national school system are being too optimistic. If a book is a designated O or A Level text, how can mission schools run away from using it, even if it is, to some, "destructive." If evolution (to some an "anti-Christian" theory) is part of the Science/Biology curriculum, how can a mission school decide NOT to allow its teachers to teach it in class, just in case some students may get the idea that "there is no need for God"? If Betrand Russell, a well-known mathematician and supposed anti-Christian, must be introduced to maths students as part of the syllabus, can the Christian teacher decide not to because he/she is afraid that his/her students might pick up Russell's "anti-Christian" books along the way? Mission schools are still under the purview of MOE, and have to cater their syllabus according to MOE's specifications. Mission schools are not the Christian version of Madrasahs, where the schools are largely free to set its own syllabus, to "teach religion" as they like. If you didn't know that, you better do now. I just spotted this sentence and would like to address it briefly: "It [i.e. Harry Potter] is unlike any other books; it is a book on witchcraft practice as pointed out by a former witch in Joe's posting." Real "witches" might disagree with you. I've read some pretty derisive comments about Harry Potter's supposed accurate portrayal of witchcraft from wiccans. Have you done any reading on the wiccans? It looks like you haven't. And finally... yawn, it looks like I won't be getting a straight answer from Ivan on what I supposedly said abt Harry Potter and the Bible. It should theorectically take only a few mouse clicks, but still.... yawn, time to go home.
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Wow! by Ivan, 2001, Dec 11
It is getting to be "hardcore" meaning "unyielding". eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 11
On "hardcore" stuff. by Interested , 2001, Dec 12 
Has the knowledge-based economy turns one to be a liberal and modern thinker; worst of all, produce a compromiser. eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 12
My subject is about parents and children relationship and not the new economy. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 12
Your mentioning of knowledge-based economy captivates me and hence my question. eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 13
Hadly know anything about economics, arts subjects are very difficult and I can't read. Science is much easier. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 13
It has to do with intellectual property which will be central to the new economy. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 13
We are God's property even in the new economy. eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 13
So do you expect food to drop from the sky or what? Scriptrues say no work no eating either. n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 13
How about trying out some God's manna. eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 13
Do you have some? n/t by Interested , 2001, Dec 14
It's God's manna - get from God. eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 15
To Ivan/Eveline by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 12
Hi JD, Thanks for your insights and advice. eom by Ivan, 2001, Dec 12
Adults and Children are different by Christopher Yip, 2001, Dec 12
A new category: RA(BAD) by Ivan, 2001, Dec 12
Which category of reader are you? by Christopher Yip, 2001, Dec 13
Almost persuaded by Ivan, 2001, Dec 13
Read, not meditate. by Christopher Yip, 2001, Dec 13
How does HP Glorify God ? by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 14
Untitled by bluemarcus, 2001, Dec 14
And then we ask "Why are Christians not too different than the world today ?" by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 14
Untitled by bluemarcus, 2001, Dec 14
Free indeed.... by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 14
Right ho! What are you gonna do when... by prophet, 2001, Dec 15
Oh so sad hor by Eveline How, 2001, Dec 14
Why, I thought you had no time for this and already had your last word ? Why come back ? Please show some integrity.! by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 14
Scared of me ah? by Eveline How, 2001, Dec 14
The writer of Ecclesiastes ... by Interested , 2001, Dec 15
Wrong question. by Christopher Yip, 2001, Dec 14
It is simple.... by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 14
Ah! by Christopher Yip, 2001, Dec 14
Untitled by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 14
Okay. (eom) by Christopher Yip, 2001, Dec 15
Yes! We should not involve with anyone who promotes witchcraft in HP books and also not to read them.eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 14
Hey, JD why is eating cheese not glorifying to God. I eat it quite often? n/t. by Interested , 2001, Dec 15
I hope you know that it was just a joke ? ;) by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 24
Read and meditate by Ivan, 2001, Dec 13
Sad indeed. by Christopher Yip, 2001, Dec 14
Do we have to ? by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 14
Untitled by bluemarcus, 2001, Dec 14
Yes, you don't ALWAYS have to, but sometimes you DO. by Christopher Yip, 2001, Dec 14
Getting bad by Ivan, 2001, Dec 14
Yes, it's a shame. by Christopher Yip, 2001, Dec 15
Really sad by Ivan, 2001, Dec 15
Before your rest ... by Christopher Yip, 2001, Dec 20
It is really screwed up........ by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 24
Yes! This is going to happen hopefully. Daniel Eaton has to eat back his words like promoting witches are good and ... by Ivan, 2001, Dec 24
To JD n Ivan by Christopher Yip, 2001, Dec 26
Reply by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 26
On Star Trek and Magic by RTC, 2001, Dec 26
Okay by Christopher Yip, 2001, Dec 26
getting more liberal... by Little Man of God, 2001, Dec 26 
"Spellbound" by Ivan, 2001, Dec 26
Too bad. by Christopher Yip, 2001, Dec 26
Don't just say too bad; it is time to pray! eom. by Ivan, 2001, Dec 26
Thanks Christopher......Here is my response..... by John Doe 666, 2001, Dec 13
From Amazon. by Christopher Yip, 2001, Dec 13
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